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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #512 on: November 28, 2021, 04:40:20 PM »
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Oswald wanted historical credit not legal responsibility for his heinous crimes. 

That makes no sense unless you're implying that Oswald knew in advance that he would be killed before having his day in court (which allowed the US government to convict him in the court of public opinion without a real trial).

Assuming that he didn't know that Jack Ruby was going to kill him, we can't assume that he had any idea how "history" would view him.

At the time of his death, maybe he believed that he could beat the charges. That's the only reasonable explanation for his denial of responsibility (assuming he was guilty).


It's not surprising or inconsistent with a political motive that he denied it to the authorities.  They were the cops so "let them figure it out" was his motto.  Are you really suggesting that photos of the person who is accused of killing the President are not "relevant" when they depict him holding the murder weapon and displaying Commie literature?  Nothing to see there?  Honestly, that is unreal.

It's only relevant if Oswald expressed anger towards JFK or a dislike of his policies, which he NEVER did despite the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis.

In fact, Oswald told several people including Marina that he liked JFK and supported his policies on Civil Rights. In other words, there's no indication that Oswald's expressions of Marxist beliefs had anything to do with JFK.

I find it more plausible that the photos were related to Oswald's hatred of General Edwin Walker but that's just speculative and based on the "Hunter of Fascists" caption that was found on George DeMorenschildt's copy of the BYP. 


Even most CTers disagree with that since they allege the photos were faked to make Oswald appear guilty (i.e. they were incriminating).  Oswald thought he had all the time in the world to come clean.  The one card that he still held after his arrest was his confession.  He wasn't going to give that up within 48 hours before he even had a lawyer to negotiate a deal to save his hide from Old Sparky.

I accept the authenticity of the photos. I question "who" took them if not Marina, who has given sketchy and inconsistent testimony on the photos.

Beyond that, there's nothing incriminating about the photos. It only becomes incriminating when associated with someone accused of a violent crime.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #513 on: November 28, 2021, 05:44:29 PM »
That makes no sense unless you're implying that Oswald knew in advance that he would be killed before having his day in court (which allowed the US government to convict him in the court of public opinion without a real trial).

Assuming that he didn't know that Jack Ruby was going to kill him, we can't assume that he had any idea how "history" would view him.

At the time of his death, maybe he believed that he could beat the charges. That's the only reasonable explanation for his denial of responsibility (assuming he was guilty).


It's only relevant if Oswald expressed anger towards JFK or a dislike of his policies, which he NEVER did despite the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis.

In fact, Oswald told several people including Marina that he liked JFK and supported his policies on Civil Rights. In other words, there's no indication that Oswald's expressions of Marxist beliefs had anything to do with JFK.

I find it more plausible that the photos were related to Oswald's hatred of General Edwin Walker but that's just speculative and based on the "Hunter of Fascists" caption that was found on George DeMorenschildt's copy of the BYP. 


I accept the authenticity of the photos. I question "who" took them if not Marina, who has given sketchy and inconsistent testimony on the photos.

Beyond that, there's nothing incriminating about the photos. It only becomes incriminating when associated with someone accused of a violent crime.

'It's only relevant if Oswald expressed anger towards JFK or a dislike of his policies, which he NEVER did despite the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact, Oswald told several people including Marina that he liked JFK and supported his policies on Civil Rights. In other words, there's no indication that Oswald's expressions of Marxist beliefs had anything to do with JFK'.
_Good plan on Oswalds part: Sing the praises of Kennedy to everyone within earshot
_Except he had no plan at all beyond a last minute-epiphany
_Fck the politics: At that window, every man for himself.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #514 on: November 28, 2021, 07:06:38 PM »
'It's only relevant if Oswald expressed anger towards JFK or a dislike of his policies, which he NEVER did despite the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis. In fact, Oswald told several people including Marina that he liked JFK and supported his policies on Civil Rights. In other words, there's no indication that Oswald's expressions of Marxist beliefs had anything to do with JFK'.
_Good plan on Oswalds part: Sing the praises of Kennedy to everyone within earshot
_Except he had no plan at all beyond a last minute-epiphany
_Fck the politics: At that window, every man for himself.

Plan?

I thought LN'ers believe the Kennedy assassination was a crime of opportunity?

If that's true, how could Oswald saying nice things about JFK years and months before 11/22/63 have been part of a plan? What plan?

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #515 on: November 28, 2021, 08:49:44 PM »
Plan?

I thought LN'ers believe the Kennedy assassination was a crime of opportunity?

If that's true, how could Oswald saying nice things about JFK years and months before 11/22/63 have been part of a plan? What plan?

Where did I conclude he had a plan
Now read past the the first line

_Good plan on Oswalds part: Sing the praises of Kennedy to everyone within earshot
_Except he had no plan at all beyond a last minute-epiphany
_Fck the politics: At that window, every man for himself.
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #516 on: November 28, 2021, 09:11:16 PM »
Uh-oh, another rookie mistake by our "artistic genius"!

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #517 on: November 28, 2021, 09:18:11 PM »
Um, them two new lines just made things worse.

Took "retarded" to the next level.

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Those two lines were in the original post

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #518 on: November 28, 2021, 09:44:23 PM »
No, get a grip.

Let go, Chapman!

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You're the one needing to 'get a grip', say, on where that thumb should be positioned, for instance'



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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #519 on: November 28, 2021, 10:21:39 PM »
Not the lines I quoted.

You just doubled down on your own stupidity.

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You didn't quote any lines.
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Oh, btw.. Jon completely skirted my actual conclusion by ignoring my actual conclusion:


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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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