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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Was Kerry Thornley The Second Oswald?
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2020, 11:08:19 PM »
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Oswald was either a great actor pretending to hold these views or he was sincerely disaffected with his country. I think the first explanation, that he was pretending, is simply implausible.

The fact that Lee didn't ever associate with communists is a glaring sign that it was a facade.

Strangely in his short life, he consistently seemed to have associates who were anti-Communist or work for people who were anti-Communist.

I can't think of any examples of him associating with communists.

Whether he did those things as part of a broader mission, or just due his having a contrarian personality, is the question...


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Re: Was Kerry Thornley The Second Oswald?
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Was Kerry Thornley The Second Oswald?
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2020, 04:15:31 PM »
The fact that Lee didn't ever associate with communists is a glaring sign that it was a facade.

Strangely in his short life, he consistently seemed to have associates who were anti-Communist or work for people who were anti-Communist.

I can't think of any examples of him associating with communists.

Whether he did those things as part of a broader mission, or just due his having a contrarian personality, is the question...
He didn't associate with communists therefore all of the views he held about the US and Marxism were an act? Sorry but that makes no sense to me. Did he or did he not repeatedly express his hatred of the US?

So you think he was controlled or directed by others and they told him not to associate with communists? Or failed to tell him TO associate with them? Don't you think that if he was told to be a communist that part of this cover would be to actually attend communist meetings? And what would he be "used" for? They want him to pretend to hold these radical beliefs and do what with this cover or legend? Infiltrate unemployment offices in Dallas?

In any case, when he was 16 he wrote to a leftwing group about joining them. When he was 17 he expressed his communist beliefs and the superiority of the USSR to friends. Was he being controlled when he was 16 and 17?

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Re: Was Kerry Thornley The Second Oswald?
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2020, 04:57:29 PM »
He didn't associate with communists therefore all of the views he held about the US and Marxism were an act? Sorry but that makes no sense to me. Did he or did he not repeatedly express his hatred of the US?


"Marxism" is not synonymous with "Communism".

All Communists are Marxists but not all Marxists are Communists.
 

Not everyone who criticizes American Racism (and the US was pretty damn racist in the 1960s) and American Capitalism hates the US.

There was nuance in the stuff he said about the US and Capitalism.

 
So you think he was controlled or directed by others and they told him not to associate with communists? Or failed to tell him TO associate with them? Don't you think that if he was told to be a communist that part of this cover would be to actually attend communist meetings? And what would he be "used" for? They want him to pretend to hold these radical beliefs and do what with this cover or legend? Infiltrate unemployment offices in Dallas?

In any case, when he was 16 he wrote to a leftwing group about joining them. When he was 17 he expressed his communist beliefs and the superiority of the USSR to friends. Was he being controlled when he was 16 and 17?

From the time he was a teen in David Ferrie's CAP unit til adulthood where he became close to George DeMorenschildt, Oswald frequently associated with rightwing or anti-Communist individuals.

Where are the examples of Oswald befriending or associating with other Marxists or Communists? He did write a few letters to Communist groups and Individuals but his true intentions for doing those things are not clear. 

I honestly don't know the answers to your questions. I'm just challenging your view that it isn't debatable. It certainly seems debatable.

You seem to believe he was fanatical in his love for Communism. I don't entirely reject that view. I'm only noting that there's mountains of evidence that challenge the view that his statements about Communism were authentic.

Outside of the conspiratorial view that Oswald's behavior was an "Act" meant to help him build a persona, there's the non-Conspiratorial view that maybe he was just a Contrarian personality.

Contrarians often disagree for the sake of being disagreeable. They're the people who adopt unpopular opinions just for the sake of being different. Or people like me who like to play Devil's Advocate  ;)


Maybe his "Commie" persona as a teen was just a way for him to be different and stand out.

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Re: Book Review, "On The Trail of Delusion - Jim Garrison: The Great Accuser"
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2020, 03:05:31 AM »
So you believe the reason LN's don't believe in conspiracy is because Clay Shaw was found innocent. 'Smart guy' strikes again!  :D :D :D
Actually, I think you [act like] you don't want to believe that there was a conspiracy because it is so much fun to troll the lone nut skeptics. And this is the third time today [I see] that you have stalked my posts....which totally illustrates my point. Why not come up with something besides the cheezy laugh?
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Listen to Perry Russo's Third Hypnosis Session
« Reply #60 on: December 01, 2020, 01:28:42 PM »
Listen to Perry Russo's Third Hypnosis Session

For the first time ever, I present a recording of Perry Russo's third hypnosis session. It's creepy beyond belief.

Perry Russo was brought to New Orleans, administered sodium pentothal, a so-called truth serum, and then he was hypnotized three times. Garrison was successful in recovering a memory.
Keep in mind that when Clay Shaw was arrested on March 1, 1967, the only evidence Garrison had was Perry Russo's session with sodium pentothal. In other words, Garrison had nothing.

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Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2020, 02:09:37 PM »
Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #62 on: December 05, 2020, 06:46:17 PM »
Readers might be interested to know this is the same Kerry Thornley who claimed he was a Nazi breeding experiment and who said that a bugging device was planted on him at birth so that Nazi cultists could monitor him as he grew up. Thornley believed Oswald was a Nazi breeding experiment too.

It is amazing how the pro-WC crowd seems oblivious to, and ignores, all the research that has confirmed the essential elements of Jim Garrison's case. Even the HSCA conceded that Garrison developed crucial evidence of Oswald's connections with David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw. Furthermore, ARRB-released files include a wealth of information that supports Garrison's case.

For those who want the facts about the Garrison investigation, I recommend the following links:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/case-distorted-posner-connick-and-the-new-york-times

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/max-holland-and-donald-carpenter-vs-jim-garrison-and-the-arrb

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/garrison.htm

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-npr-the-beat-goes-on-part-3

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/mellen-joan-jim-garrison-his-life-and-times-the-early-years


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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2020, 07:39:51 PM »
Readers might be interested to know this is the same Kerry Thornley who claimed he was a Nazi breeding experiment and who said that a bugging device was planted on him at birth so that Nazi cultists could monitor him as he grew up. Thornley believed Oswald was a Nazi breeding experiment too.

It is amazing how the pro-WC crowd seems oblivious to, and ignores, all the research that has confirmed the essential elements of Jim Garrison's case. Even the HSCA conceded that Garrison developed crucial evidence of Oswald's connections with David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw. Furthermore, ARRB-released files include a wealth of information that supports Garrison's case.

For those who want the facts about the Garrison investigation, I recommend the following links:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/case-distorted-posner-connick-and-the-new-york-times

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/max-holland-and-donald-carpenter-vs-jim-garrison-and-the-arrb

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/garrison.htm

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-npr-the-beat-goes-on-part-3

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/mellen-joan-jim-garrison-his-life-and-times-the-early-years

No, they are not "the facts", they are Garrison "fan boy", DiEugenio's spin.

It is far more likely Garrison was engaged in a diversion that was successful. Demands for serious inquiry came to a boil by late 1966 and after Garrison's "efforts", none happened until 1975. Garrison suffered exactly what, professionally?  His local CIA opponents, as described by expert author, Joan Mellen, were two brothers who were first cousin's of Garrison's wife, and Shaw was aware of this...

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Tom S.  April 12, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
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REX: I – I think –

JOAN: – when (Attorney Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….



https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%20stephen%20lemann&f=false


David Baldwin's wife Mildred Lyons II, happened to be the step-sister of "CIA lawyer and ten percent owner of WDSU", Stephen B Lemann.

Mildred's mom was the step-grandmother of this "hack", Nicholas B Lemann !

https://charlierose.com/videos/28642
ENTERTAINMENT, HISTORYAir Date 12/30/1991
Nicholas Lemann, David Denby, and Zachary Sklar debate Oliver Stone's movie "JFK."

This is all fully supported in this post, above Mark's comment.:

As long as there is money to be made in 'Oliverizing' Garrison, most authors/researchers/speakers won't toss out their invested time.  A bit like the 'Judyth Bakering' of Oswald et. al, whose publisher has made sure several of his other books have corroborated her LIES.  Ka-ching!!!  Hey, who here is going to JudyFest ???   IF YOU USE THIS CODE (123-SUKKA) WE WILL OFFER A 5% DISCOUNT ON YOUR TICKET !!!!
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Re: Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher - and her reply!
« Reply #63 on: December 05, 2020, 07:39:51 PM »