On The Trail Of Delusion

[Jon Banks]

He didn't associate with communists therefore all of the views he held about the US and Marxism were an act? Sorry but that makes no sense to me. Did he or did he not repeatedly express his hatred of the US?

"Marxism" is not synonymous with "Communism".

All Communists are Marxists but not all Marxists are Communists.
 

Not everyone who criticizes American Racism (and the US was pretty damn racist in the 1960s) and American Capitalism hates the US.

There was nuance in the stuff he said about the US and Capitalism.

 

So you think he was controlled or directed by others and they told him not to associate with communists? Or failed to tell him TO associate with them? Don't you think that if he was told to be a communist that part of this cover would be to actually attend communist meetings? And what would he be "used" for? They want him to pretend to hold these radical beliefs and do what with this cover or legend? Infiltrate unemployment offices in Dallas?

In any case, when he was 16 he wrote to a leftwing group about joining them. When he was 17 he expressed his communist beliefs and the superiority of the USSR to friends. Was he being controlled when he was 16 and 17?

From the time he was a teen in David Ferrie's CAP unit til adulthood where he became close to George DeMorenschildt, Oswald frequently associated with rightwing or anti-Communist individuals.

Where are the examples of Oswald befriending or associating with other Marxists or Communists? He did write a few letters to Communist groups and Individuals but his true intentions for doing those things are not clear. 

I honestly don't know the answers to your questions. I'm just challenging your view that it isn't debatable. It certainly seems debatable.

You seem to believe he was fanatical in his love for Communism. I don't entirely reject that view. I'm only noting that there's mountains of evidence that challenge the view that his statements about Communism were authentic.

Outside of the conspiratorial view that Oswald's behavior was an "Act" meant to help him build a persona, there's the non-Conspiratorial view that maybe he was just a Contrarian personality.

Contrarians often disagree for the sake of being disagreeable. They're the people who adopt unpopular opinions just for the sake of being different. Or people like me who like to play Devil's Advocate 


Maybe his "Commie" persona as a teen was just a way for him to be different and stand out.

[Jerry Freeman]

So you believe the reason LN's don't believe in conspiracy is because Clay Shaw was found innocent. 'Smart guy' strikes again! 

Actually, I think you [act like] you don't want to believe that there was a conspiracy because it is so much fun to troll the lone nut skeptics. And this is the third time today [I see] that you have stalked my posts....which totally illustrates my point. Why not come up with something besides the cheezy laugh?
                                                                                       The Smart Guy.                         

[Fred Litwin]

Listen to Perry Russo's Third Hypnosis Session

For the first time ever, I present a recording of Perry Russo's third hypnosis session. It's creepy beyond belief.

Perry Russo was brought to New Orleans, administered sodium pentothal, a so-called truth serum, and then he was hypnotized three times. Garrison was successful in recovering a memory.
Keep in mind that when Clay Shaw was arrested on March 1, 1967, the only evidence Garrison had was Perry Russo's session with sodium pentothal. In other words, Garrison had nothing.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

[Fred Litwin]

Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

[Michael T. Griffith]

Readers might be interested to know this is the same Kerry Thornley who claimed he was a Nazi breeding experiment and who said that a bugging device was planted on him at birth so that Nazi cultists could monitor him as he grew up. Thornley believed Oswald was a Nazi breeding experiment too.

It is amazing how the pro-WC crowd seems oblivious to, and ignores, all the research that has confirmed the essential elements of Jim Garrison's case. Even the HSCA conceded that Garrison developed crucial evidence of Oswald's connections with David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw. Furthermore, ARRB-released files include a wealth of information that supports Garrison's case.

For those who want the facts about the Garrison investigation, I recommend the following links:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/case-distorted-posner-connick-and-the-new-york-times

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/max-holland-and-donald-carpenter-vs-jim-garrison-and-the-arrb

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/garrison.htm

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-npr-the-beat-goes-on-part-3

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/mellen-joan-jim-garrison-his-life-and-times-the-early-years

[Tom Scully]

Readers might be interested to know this is the same Kerry Thornley who claimed he was a Nazi breeding experiment and who said that a bugging device was planted on him at birth so that Nazi cultists could monitor him as he grew up. Thornley believed Oswald was a Nazi breeding experiment too.

It is amazing how the pro-WC crowd seems oblivious to, and ignores, all the research that has confirmed the essential elements of Jim Garrison's case. Even the HSCA conceded that Garrison developed crucial evidence of Oswald's connections with David Ferrie, Guy Banister, and Clay Shaw. Furthermore, ARRB-released files include a wealth of information that supports Garrison's case.

For those who want the facts about the Garrison investigation, I recommend the following links:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/case-distorted-posner-connick-and-the-new-york-times

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/max-holland-and-donald-carpenter-vs-jim-garrison-and-the-arrb

http://www.realhistoryarchives.com/collections/assassinations/jfk/garrison.htm

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jim-garrison-vs-npr-the-beat-goes-on-part-3

https://kennedysandking.com/reviews/mellen-joan-jim-garrison-his-life-and-times-the-early-years

No, they are not "the facts", they are Garrison "fan boy", DiEugenio's spin.

It is far more likely Garrison was engaged in a diversion that was successful. Demands for serious inquiry came to a boil by late 1966 and after Garrison's "efforts", none happened until 1975. Garrison suffered exactly what, professionally?  His local CIA opponents, as described by expert author, Joan Mellen, were two brothers who were first cousin's of Garrison's wife, and Shaw was aware of this...

https://jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/#comment-869223
Tom S.  April 12, 2016 at 1:25 pm

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
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REX: I – I think –

JOAN: – when (Attorney Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….

https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%20stephen%20lemann&f=false


David Baldwin's wife Mildred Lyons II, happened to be the step-sister of "CIA lawyer and ten percent owner of WDSU", Stephen B Lemann.

Mildred's mom was the step-grandmother of this "hack", Nicholas B Lemann !

https://charlierose.com/videos/28642
ENTERTAINMENT, HISTORYAir Date 12/30/1991
Nicholas Lemann, David Denby, and Zachary Sklar debate Oliver Stone's movie "JFK."

This is all fully supported in this post, above Mark's comment.:

As long as there is money to be made in 'Oliverizing' Garrison, most authors/researchers/speakers won't toss out their invested time.  A bit like the 'Judyth Bakering' of Oswald et. al, whose publisher has made sure several of his other books have corroborated her LIES.  Ka-ching!!!  Hey, who here is going to JudyFest    IF YOU USE THIS CODE (123-SUKKA) WE WILL OFFER A 5% DISCOUNT ON YOUR TICKET !!!!

[Tom Scully]

Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

A deeper dive, Fred....

NOTE: If you do not want to invest the time to read this reply, I created a new thread with a brief OP that
might be more attractive tp readers living very busy lives...
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1734.msg44747.html#msg44747
Intention Aside, Did Stone's "JFK, the Movie" Destroy Potential to be informed?

HUGH AYNESWORTH........Mr Everywhere

 More here.......     https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/journalists-jfk-part-3-the-real-dizinfo-agents-at-dealey-plaza

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/opinion/2010/07/12/on-right-to-wor

Re: ".'Right to work' born at News -- Writer coined term opposing forced union membership," Sunday news story.
The article says that "historians and lawyers agree that the right-work laws were the leading factor in the Sun Belt's success." What is the Sun Belt's success? It is making lots of money for employers and having right-to-work laws helped do that.
How can The Dallas Morning News say that the "right to work editorial in 1941 was not anti-union," when the "right to work" goes against the rights of unions by requiring them to represent all workers, including the ones who do not pay any union dues? The law has been divisive and anti-union from its inception, and it continues to be so today.
Elaine Lantz, Dallas

... have damaged middle class
Regarding your thinly disguised praise for the late William Ruggles, editorial writer for The Dallas Morning News, many of us have always considered him an enemy of the people. The "Right to Work" concept, the most insidious part of the Taft-Hartley Act, has had a negative effect on this nation's middle class, right up to this day. Younger readers also need to remember that when Ruggles was on the editorial staff of The Dallas Morning News, the newspaper was considered the most reactionary major daily of the time.
Aubra Billy Thomas, Dallas

In the bigger picture, was not Jesse Core III, son-in-law of DMN's editorial editor, William Ruggles, much more a "Mr. Everywhere" than
Aynesworth could have ever hoped to be, beginning with Core's wife....Ruggles's daughter, being at the top of the protests led by Mac Wallace?

Perhaps, if Jesse had not influenced Harold Weisberg to develop a "man crush" on Jesse Core, what I offer in this post would not
seem more obscure than the DMN billboard that is Hugh Aynesworth?:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Panzeca%20Sal/Item%2005.pdf
Or.... http://jfkforum.com/images/WeisbergJesseCoreFriend.jpg

Core and his fiance Miss Ruggles were feted at a pre-marriage party hosted by the Turtle Creek landlord of Edwin Walker,
in the house Walker rented from that same owner, a dozen years later. :


Core was clandestine CIA and called NOLA broadcaster to
inquire if they were giving realtime coverage to Oswald's pamphlet hand out apperance near the Trade Mart. :
https://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62419&relPageId=52&search=rumor_and%20picketed

Kerry Thornley said he was taken to Core's office by his mentor, Clint Bolton, a close friend of Core.:
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,119.msg1584.html#msg1584.

A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, Jfk's Assassination, and the ...
https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1597973548
Joan Mellen - 2011 - ‎History
Baldwin's successor, Jesse Core, was also with the CIA. It was a matter of saving the Agency ?shoe leather,? Core would say. ...

.....
.

Why are these two CIA assets and back to back Trade Mart PR directors, David & Jesse, hired by Clay Shaw, seen here three
months apart in 1967, egging on Shaw and then Garrison in opposing directions?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=163321&search=jesse_and+calcutta#relPageId=3&tab=page

?One example...:

https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK?s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
??.
REX: I ? I think ?

JOAN: ? when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people?.

Mellen claimed she interviewed 1200 people, many from New Orleans, in the process of assembling her book on
Jim Garrison and his investigation, and yet, she was emphatic in her rather narrow conclusions I quoted above.






From Joan Mellen?s book :
https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq=%22joan+mellen%22+stephen+lemann&source=bl&ots=JQ0cQ7W_xe&sig=zjEbm-HJgiFBiqsZJ_VSNijJh0U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAvsOe1YnMAhVLHD4KHdSUDKoQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=%22joan%20mellen%22%20stephen%20lemann&f=false

?..

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/C%20Disk/Core%20Jesse/Item%2008.pdf


Link: Background, from Jim DiEugenio:


Page 2: http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/May%20Hoke%20Notes/Item%2005.pdf



One year after this 1946 society page clipping, David Baldwin's mother-in-law Mildred Lyons married Monte Leman,
becoming the stepmother of Stephen and Thomas Lemann...

Any possibility Hugh Aynesworth is a meaningless distraction, compared to the actual Zelig (Jesse Core) in the mystery of who Lee Harvey Oswald really was, and really did?

[Walt Cakebread]

Kerry Thornley writes Sylvia Meagher

Sylvia Meagher was a supporter of Kerry Thornley and even donated money for his defense - Garrison had charged him with perjury for denying he met Oswald in New Orleans in September 1963.
Here is a letter from Thornley to Meagher, and her reply. It adds some color and details about their thinking of Garrison.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

Thanks for posting  the link, Fred.    I've read Sylvia's book Accessories After the Fact  many times but I never realized that her core belief was Lee Oswald's innocence.    In her letter to Thornley  she clearly says that she believed that Lee Oswald was totally innocent.  I also believe that Lee was a gullible naive sucker who thought he was working undercover for J. Edgar Hoover.