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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: "JFK Revisited" Misleads on the Weight of JFK's Brain
« Reply #560 on: November 30, 2021, 05:20:13 PM »
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Sorry, photographs don't trump eyewitness accounts? Where does that standard come from?


If only one or two witnesses give statements that contradict photographic evidence, the photographic evidence wins.

If almost two dozen witnesses (including doctors and nurses) gave statements that contradict the photographic evidence, then we have to question the photos.


“That JFK's head wound was on the right side of his head is universally accepted. With a single exception, all witnesses placed JFK's major skull defect on the right side, and given the frequency of witness error, this suggests good witness reliability in this case. The most peculiar aspect of JFK's wounds is that of the 46 witnesses I whose opinions I have examined between Parkland and Bethesda, 45 of whom correctly claimed that the skull defect was on the right side, 44 were apparently wrong by the "best" evidence to claim that the wound was in the right-rear, rather than the right-front. The "authenticated" photographs, the originals of which were twice examined by author Aguilar at the National Archives, show no rear defect at all, only an anterior-lateral defect, and so, if valid, the images prove that not a single witness accurately described JFK's fatal wound, and that even the autopsy report fails to accurately describe the skull defect visible in the images!

http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm


1998 - Washington Post: “Newly Released JFK Documents Raise Questions About Medical Evidence“

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/jfk/ap110998.htm
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Re: "JFK Revisited" Misleads on the Weight of JFK's Brain
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #561 on: November 30, 2021, 05:27:53 PM »
So many words and not even a beginning of an answer to the actual question being asked. Exactly what was expected!

Just for good measure, here's the question again;

The question clearly is about a BY photo being given to DeMohrenschildt, around the time of the attemp on General Walker.'s life It has nothing to do with the assassination of Kennedy which "Richard" is rambling on about.

Everything "Richard" has written is worthless speculation about what Oswald was thinking and what he must have known. In other words the usual self serving mumbo jumbo.

It is ironic however that "Richard", who seems to think he knows everything Oswald ever thought, fails miserably to explain why Oswald would give a high quality print of a photo to George De Mohrenschildt only a few days before he allegedly attempts to kill General Walker.

The writing on the BY photos is that of Marina.

This is a bald faced lie. It was never established who wrote the Russian text but it was determined beyond doubt that it wasn't Marina.

LOL.   So we can only address the parts of your silly posts that are highlighted?  It has never been "determined beyond doubt that it wasn't Marina" who wrote the Russian text.  That is simply a lie.  It has been determined that Oswald inscribed it to DeM and signed his name on the picture.  The one he later claimed was faked.  Oswald and George DeM were long standing acquaintances.   One of the few, if not only, that Oswald had.  Thus, no great surprise that he would have given him such a picture.  Again, though, you are trying to take us down the rabbit hole game asking someone to explain Oswald's motivations to your subjective satisfaction so that you can play the contrarian and say it isn't so.  Only Oswald can know for sure why he took these pictures, why he gave one to DeM etc.  You are asking for speculation on Oswald's motive to deflect from the important point.  For whatever reason he did it, we know Oswald must have given DeM the picture because that is what the evidence confirms beyond any doubt.  The photo exists.  It was in DeM's possession.  Oswald even inscribed it to him and signed it.  There is absolutely no doubt of the issue under those circumstances.
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #562 on: November 30, 2021, 06:29:08 PM »
The writing on the BY photos is that of Marina.  Oswald had no apparent sense of humor and was certainly too insecure to be self deprecating.   
Richard Smith---Handwriting expert and psychoanalyst extraordinaire? :D

LOL.   So we can only address the parts of your silly posts that are highlighted?  It has never been "determined beyond doubt that it wasn't Marina" who wrote the Russian text.  That is simply a lie.  It has been determined that Oswald inscribed it to DeM and signed his name on the picture.  The one he later claimed was faked.   
Now what? Make up my mind Mr Expert [Gaslighter] ::)
It was determined that Marina did not write on the photos. Nor was it Lee! >>> Better luck [at gaslighting] next time.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #562 on: November 30, 2021, 06:29:08 PM »


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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #563 on: November 30, 2021, 06:38:25 PM »
LOL.   So we can only address the parts of your silly posts that are highlighted?  It has never been "determined beyond doubt that it wasn't Marina" who wrote the Russian text.  That is simply a lie.  It has been determined that Oswald inscribed it to DeM and signed his name on the picture.  The one he later claimed was faked.  Oswald and George DeM were long standing acquaintances.   One of the few, if not only, that Oswald had.  Thus, no great surprise that he would have given him such a picture.  Again, though, you are trying to take us down the rabbit hole game asking someone to explain Oswald's motivations to your subjective satisfaction so that you can play the contrarian and say it isn't so.  Only Oswald can know for sure why he took these pictures, why he gave one to DeM etc.  You are asking for speculation on Oswald's motive to deflect from the important point.  For whatever reason he did it, we know Oswald must have given DeM the picture because that is what the evidence confirms beyond any doubt.  The photo exists.  It was in DeM's possession.  Oswald even inscribed it to him and signed it.  There is absolutely no doubt of the issue under those circumstances.

Another incoherent rant by "Richard" who, as usual, is all over the place.

It has never been "determined beyond doubt that it wasn't Marina" who wrote the Russian text.  That is simply a lie.

No it isn't a lie. That the handwriting was Marina's, as you falsely claimed, is the actual lie. If there was even the remotest possibility that Marina had written the text, the HSCA would most certainly have made that determination. They didn't!

It seems you'd rather make up a blatant lie than to deal honestly with the evidence. Marina did not write the Russian text, which means somebody else, who has remained unidentified for 58 years, was involved in the making of the high quality BY photo that ended up in DeMohrenschildt's storage unit.

It has been determined that Oswald inscribed it to DeM and signed his name on the picture. The one he later claimed was faked.

BS. Oswald never made any claim about the DeMohrenschildt copy, as it wasn't "discovered" until several years after Oswald's death. And since when does somebody receiving a picture, write a copy-right notice on the back?

Oswald and George DeM were long standing acquaintances. One of the few, if not only, that Oswald had.

Another lie. DeMohrenschildt and Oswald only knew eachother for a couple of months. DeMohrenschildt heard about Oswald in the late summer of 1962 after he and Marina had returned from Russia.

Thus, no great surprise that he would have given him such a picture.  Again, though, you are trying to take us down the rabbit hole game asking someone to explain Oswald's motivations to your subjective satisfaction so that you can play the contrarian and say it isn't so.

Hilarious. You are the one who is constantly telling is what Oswald thought, what he knew, what his motivations are and so on, but now suddenly you can't explain Oswald's motivation for giving a copy of the photograph to a man he barely knew.

Instead you simply claim - without a shred of evidence - that Oswald and DeMohrenschildt were so friendly with eachother that it was no surprise that he gave him a picture showing him holding a rifle around the same time that he is supposed to have used that same rifle in an attempt to kill General Walker. You are truly completely full of it.

Only Oswald can know for sure why he took these pictures, why he gave one to DeM etc.

Indeed. So why are you constantly telling us what Oswald was thinking and why he did things?

You are asking for speculation on Oswald's motive to deflect from the important point.  For whatever reason he did it, we know Oswald must have given DeM the picture because that is what the evidence confirms beyond any doubt.  The photo exists.  It was in DeM's possession.  Oswald even inscribed it to him and signed it.  There is absolutely no doubt of the issue under those circumstances.

Indeed, the photo does exist, but there is nothing to support your claim that Oswald "must have given DeM the picture". As per usual you confuse your assumptions with actual evidence.

It is no wonder why you fail to explain why DeMohrenschildt, who according to you received a copy from Oswald, and thus should be fully aware he has a copy, did not mention or show the photo to anybody, during the WC investigation. He does not talk about it in his WC testimony and the photo is only "discovered" among his stored papers, in 1967. None of this is even the slightest bit odd to you, right?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: "JFK Revisited" Misleads on the Weight of JFK's Brain
« Reply #564 on: November 30, 2021, 06:41:16 PM »
Litwin is going to pick at the new Oliver Stone film religiously... frame by frame. Bank on it.
I wonder if he's actually seen it. The complete movie hasn't even been released yet.
I don't need to see it. There is plenty of doubt about the official story to last for centuries.

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Re: "JFK Revisited" Misleads on the Weight of JFK's Brain
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #565 on: November 30, 2021, 06:44:29 PM »
Richard Smith needs to quit while he's still behind  ;)

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: "JFK Revisited" Misleads on the Weight of JFK's Brain
« Reply #566 on: November 30, 2021, 07:14:55 PM »
The "eyewitness accounts" by the autopsy doctors - who spent more than four hours closely examining JFK - of the location of the head wound is corroborated by the physical evidence; that is photos, film, x-rays. And forensic pathologists who examined the x-rays, photos and other material in the National Archives said the same thing.

If we have to go with eyewitness accounts I'll go with the account of those autopsy doctors over that of amateurs or people who saw the president in a rushed, hurried, frantic environment.

It's not even a close call.

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Re: JFK Revisited Lays an Egg
« Reply #567 on: November 30, 2021, 07:17:43 PM »
In reality, Eisenhower was warning American’s about the MIC’s new chief, JFK. 
Whoa that's a laugher :D

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