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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Two New Unpublished Sylvia Meagher Articles
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2020, 05:38:00 PM »
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This observation by Meagher needs to be underscored: "I find it hard to believe that three would-be assassins discussed the logistics of an assassination in the presence of a casual acquaintance and non-participant in their plot." Even worse, according to Garrison's allegations it wasn't just one "casual acquaintance", i.e., Perry Russo, it was several, e.g., Charles Speisel and according to Spiesel, "ten or eleven" men.

I can totally see that happening under the circumstances. Sometimes criminals get cocky and arrogant and run their mouths when you would not expect them to utter a word.

To repeat: according to Garrison, Oswald, Ferrie and Shaw plotted the assassination of JFK at a party while others listened in. Then, somehow (Garrison claimed later), they got the FBI, Dallas Police Department, CIA, Secret Service and assorted others to join in with this plot.

That is a rather severe distortion of what Garrison claimed.


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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Two New Unpublished Sylvia Meagher Articles
« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2020, 06:07:34 PM »
I can totally see that happening under the circumstances. Sometimes criminals get cocky and arrogant and run their mouths when you would not expect them to utter a word.

That is a rather severe distortion of what Garrison claimed.

Read Garrison's books "Heritage of Stone" or his earlier work "On the Trail of the Assassins" for his fuller description of who he said was behind the assassination. Briefly, Garrison claimed in both works that major elements and figures of and inside the government, e.g., CIA, Pentagon, LBJ, Hoover along with the Dallas Police Department murdered JFK (Ruby shot Oswald to hide his (Ruby's) role in the assassination). And that the plot (somehow) originated or had its origins in the Shaw/Oswald/Ferrie meeting; although this meeting essentially disappears as he gets deeper and deeper into explaining who carried out the assassination. It's a bewildering story.

Why did they kill Kennedy? Garrison said that JFK was, inter alia, going to end the Vietnam War and dismantle the "warfare state" that secretly ran and runs the country. And it was essentially for those reasons that he was murdered, indeed had to be murdered. Garrison also claimed that RFK (!!) was covering up for the murder of the president. It's nearly impossible to caricature his claims.

Just read the final chapter in "Heritage of Stone" titled "War Machine." Here are just two quotes that aptly summarize his worldview:

"The assassination [of JFK] reduced the President of the United States to a transient official, a servant of the warfare conglomerate. His assignment is to speak as often as possible about the nation’s desire for peace, while he serves as a business agent in Congress for the military and their hardware manufacturers…

And this: [T]he military and intelligence power elite, which sponsored the assassination and which then initiated the Vietnam escalation, continues to retain covert control of the nation. It is all too apparent that this force in our government believes that violence is the ultimate solution to any problem. This is why the present period is a most dangerous one for America and for the world…."

An online version of "Heritage" can be read here: https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HeritageOfStone/index.html

Oliver Stone's movie JFK greatly misrepresents what Garrison claimed in the Shaw trial. In the trial Garrison didn't make the above claims. But later in the above two mentioned books he made this grand conspiracy argument.

As to the first point: No, I can't see people seriously plotting to murder the president - and then doing so (according to Garrison) - while a group of strangers were around and able to listen to their discussion of their plan. If they were just "spit balling" things, yes; but if they were serious, as again Garrison claimed, then I can't.
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Offline Fred Litwin

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On The Trail Of Delusion
« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2021, 02:24:09 PM »
Jim Garrison Takes the Stand...

In January of 1971, Judge Herbert Christenberry held three days of hearings regarding Garrison's perjury charges against Clay Shaw. Jim Garrison was called to the stand and was examined by Clay Shaw's attorneys.

Today, I post excerpts from his testimony.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/blog

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2021, 04:34:08 PM »

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2021, 05:51:17 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/josiah-thompson-on-jim-garrison

I believe that you and Tink, are totally wrong.....and Garrison was right.   It's true that Garrison's effort to bring justice to the case was sabotaged and that allowed his critics some ground to discredit him.   

I don't whole heartedly endorse all of  Jim Garrison's theories but he was totally correct in advocating that a conspiracy was behind the coup d e'tat. ....And the plot originated in New Orleans.....   

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2021, 08:46:43 PM »
You cannot convict someone of guilt by association. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted of the Okla City Fed Bldg bombings. The FBI and who knows who were after anyone that even looked like them...
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing_conspiracy_theories
 Garrison was also wrong in his thinking that a cabal of perverts plotted to assassinate JFK.
He also believed that LHO was involved... and I still can't see how.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2021, 09:02:16 PM »
You cannot convict someone of guilt by association. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were convicted of the Okla City Fed Bldg bombings. The FBI and who knows who were after anyone that even looked like them...
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing_conspiracy_theories
 Garrison was also wrong in his thinking that a cabal of perverts plotted to assassinate JFK.
He also believed that LHO was involved... and I still can't see how.

LHO was involved?   Absolutely.... He was the patsy....

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Re: Josiah Thompson on Jim Garrison
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2021, 09:02:16 PM »