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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: A Look Back at Clay Shaw's Trial
« Reply #784 on: December 28, 2021, 05:58:44 PM »
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A Look Back at Clay Shaw's Trial
The Baton Rouge Advocate Looked back on the trial of Clay Shaw in 1994
Columnist John McMillan said Garrison's case was "one of the biggest abuses of judicial power in the history of the country." He concludes "there may have been conspiracy, but I'll tell you one thing: Jim Garrison didn't know a damn thing about it if there was."

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/a-look-back-at-clay-shaw-s-trial
What's a bit remarkable is that the major conspiracy theorists/proponents of that time - people like Lane, Lifton, Meagher, Weisberg, Epstein - all denounced or came to denounce Garrison's fraudulent investigation and abuse of power (although Weisberg was a bit late to the game, e.g., read his exchanges with Garrison during his grand jury testimony; they were having a ball).

But Garrison's is the only conspiracist name to, broadly speaking, survive; at least in terms of what he believed happened (sure, most people today likely have little or no idea who he was). Of course, this is all due to Stone's disgraceful lie of a movie. For the Garrisonites the ends justifies any means. If Shaw or others have to have their lies destroyed or smeared, well that's in service to the greater cause of exposing the evil people who killed JFK. To their credit, the other conspiracists had some standards, some principles they wouldn't toss aside. And Garrison's claims violated all of them.

Here is Weisberg's GJ testimony: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1210
He's not putting up much of a fight with Garrison's reckless statements. He would do so later.
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Re: A Look Back at Clay Shaw's Trial
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Offline Fred Litwin

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The Persecution of Clay Shaw
« Reply #785 on: December 31, 2021, 02:12:36 PM »
The Persecution of Clay Shaw
A terrific article from the August 26, 1969 issue of Look Magazine. Clay Shaw on Garrison and his case: "What a man like this has going for him is the will to believe. It's very, very strong in many people. It doesn't matter what the evidence is or how many nuts he puts on the stand; people just go on believing."

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-persecution-of-clay-shaw

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: The Persecution of Clay Shaw
« Reply #786 on: December 31, 2021, 07:08:11 PM »
The Persecution of Clay Shaw
A terrific article from the August 26, 1969 issue of Look Magazine. Clay Shaw on Garrison and his case: "What a man like this has going for him is the will to believe. It's very, very strong in many people. It doesn't matter what the evidence is or how many nuts he puts on the stand; people just go on believing."

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/the-persecution-of-clay-shaw
I remain puzzled, completely, as to why Garrison never considered *any* role of organized crime, of elements of the mob, in the assassination. None. Not even on the periphery. In fact the accounts are that when asked about any role he would get very angry and simply dismiss the question. Yes, he'd have to admit that the Mob was operating in New Orleans. But that's an odd concern.

From the Patricia Lambert book: "The Mafia [was] the only group he ever specifically absolved of involvement in the assassination. As [New Orleans Times Picayune reporter] Rosemary James wrote, "Garrison always refused to investigate any leads that pointed in [the direction of the Mafia]". Reporters who made such suggestions were threatened personally with grand jury inquisition and indictment. It make you wonder what Garrison and his acolytes then and now really are about. Creating smoke screens perhaps?"

I doubt that last point - "creating smoke screens" - but it's perplexing. Lambert, by the way, thought element of the mob were involved.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The Persecution of Clay Shaw
« Reply #787 on: December 31, 2021, 09:28:27 PM »
I remain puzzled, completely, as to why Garrison never considered *any* role of organized crime, of elements of the mob, in the assassination. None.
There is a book about that very subject----
 
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....the answers detailing why New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison and the U.S. Justice Department refused to investigate Mafia boss Carlos Marcello in connection with the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The true story of official corruption and deception over decades where the very existence of organized crime was denied by Garrison, the city's Superintendent of Police, the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in New Orleans, and other U.S. Justice Department officials, even though Carlos Marcello was named as a possible "conspirator" in JFK's assassination by the U.S. House Committee on Assassinations.

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Falsely Accused: Jim Garrison's Investigation of JFK's Assassination and the United States of America Versus R.E. Payne : the Mafia's Influence in New Orleans

Garrison had a tiger by the tail just like JFK did. His ideas about elements of the CIA being involved... were laughed at by and large through the media. Thanks to the assistance of CIA insiders.
It was a chaotic freak show...we know it... so why does this 50 year old garbage have to get stirred up thread after thread? 
I would like to know where Paul Bleau got his information-------
 
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The CIA and Mafia’s “Cuban American Mechanism” and the JFK Assassination
Written by Paul Bleau ---------
As with many things, Jim Garrison was the first investigator to elucidate a three-sided conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy, the three participants being the CIA, the Cuban exiles, and the Mob. He had done this unearthing during his inquiry, but he formally announced it in a famous cover story for New Orleans Magazine in 1976. 
It should now seem so obvious that rogue CIA, the old Havana connected Mafia, and anti-Castro Cuban mercenaries were involved but...I can't find that interview.

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"JFK Revisited" Misleads on Supposed CIA support of Coup Attempt in France
« Reply #788 on: January 01, 2022, 03:58:15 PM »
"JFK Revisited" Misleads on Supposed CIA support of the 1961 Coup Attempt in France
Oliver Stone's so-called documentary, JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass, misleads on CIA involvement in the coup attempt against de Gaulle. In fact, the CIA did not help the four generals who revolted. Here is the full story of the rumors and speculation from the coup attempt.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jfk-revisited-misleads-on-supposed-cia-support-of-the-1961-coup-attempt-in-france

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"JFK Revisited" Misleads on Supposed CIA support of Coup Attempt in France
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Re: JFK Revisited
« Reply #789 on: January 01, 2022, 10:28:19 PM »
Very good article Fred. A lot of work obviously went into it.

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Re: JFK Revisited
« Reply #790 on: January 01, 2022, 10:58:52 PM »
JFK Unsolved (Josiah Thompson's project) ain't much better.

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Re: JFK Revisited
« Reply #791 on: January 02, 2022, 01:40:06 AM »
JFK Unsolved (Josiah Thompson's project) ain't much better.

“JFK Unsolved” is great!

It’s fine to disagree with Thompson’s conclusions but at least give the film credit for objectively presenting both sides.

JFK Revisited was great too but not nearly as fair to the counter-arguments from LN’ers.


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Re: JFK Revisited
« Reply #791 on: January 02, 2022, 01:40:06 AM »