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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: JFK Revisited
« Reply #792 on: January 10, 2022, 04:00:31 AM »
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The claim that Todd's initials are not on CE399 rest on still pictures that show the bullet length from four sides. So some areas aren't straight on to the camera. There's no reason to believe all the agents used the same method to apply there initials; some are barely visible today.

The differing times for the handover of CE399 I can only conjecture about. Some agents who "could not identify" CE399 were actually asked to positively identify the bullet, which they could not once it left their possession. They could generally say the bullet appeared to be the same. This is left out of the Stone film.

Stone's movie just grazes the surface of those types of issues. They had to squeeze a lot of info into two hours.

Gary Aguilar and Josiah Thompson's research is what the film references.

The Magic Bullet: Even More Magical Than We Knew?

In a memo to the Warren Commission [C. E. #2011] concerning its investigation of the chain of possession of C.E. #399, the FBI reported that two Parkland Hospital eyewitnesses, Darrell Tomlinson and O. P. Wright, said C.E. #399 resembled the bullet they discovered on the day JFK died. But the FBI agent who is supposed to have interviewed both men and the Bureau’s own suppressed records contradict the FBI’s public memo. Agent Odum denied his role, and the FBI’s earliest, suppressed files say only that neither Tomlinson nor Wright was able to identify the bullet in question. This suppressed file implies the hospital witnesses saw no resemblance, which is precisely what Wright told one of the authors in 1967.

What we are left with is the FBI having reported a solid chain of possession for #399 to the Warren Commission. But the links in the FBI’s chain appear to be anything but solid. Bardwell Odum, one of the key links, says he was never in the chain at all and the FBI’s own, suppressed records tend to back him up. Inexplicably, the chain also lacks other important links: FBI 302s, reports from the agents in the field who, there is ample reason to suppose, did actually trace #399 in Dallas and in Washington. Suppressed FBI records and recent investigations thus suggest that not only is the FBI’s file incomplete, but also that one of the authors may have been right when he reported in 1967 that the bullet found in Dallas did not look like a bullet that could have come from Oswald’s rifle...

https://history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/EvenMoreMagical.htm
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Re: JFK Revisited
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Online Fred Litwin

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Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #793 on: January 10, 2022, 02:25:06 PM »
Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes
What a painful experience. Joe Rogan doesn't know anything about the JFK assassination, and Oliver Stone can only offer shallow talking points. Here's an example of one thing Stone got wrong. And a challenge to conspiracy theorists.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/oliver-stone-pulls-the-wool-over-joe-rogan-s-eyes

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #794 on: January 10, 2022, 04:20:13 PM »
The film was written by Jim DiEugenio so, Jimmy D should be invited to these interviews about JFK Revisited. Why only Stone gets invited, I'm not sure. 

Stone is a great film maker but not a scholar of history. He produces many projects about historic events but usually gets help from academics and actual historians.

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
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Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #795 on: January 10, 2022, 06:10:04 PM »
take the challenge in my post, please. Prove me wrong.

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #796 on: January 10, 2022, 06:30:36 PM »
take the challenge in my post, please. Prove me wrong.

"There is no evidence that there was a plot in Chicago"

Wrong.


ABC News: 44 Years After JFK's Death, New Assassination Plot Revealed
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3902495&page=1

Bolden's account is evidence.

Granted, Bolden's account alone doesn't "prove" there was a plot against Kennedy in Chicago but it is evidence.
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Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #797 on: January 11, 2022, 05:16:19 AM »
I discuss Bolden in my post. He made an allegation. Show me some evidence to back him up.

Something. Anything.

Just one document.

Some testimony.

Anything.

That is the challenge.

fred

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Re: Oliver Stone Pulls the Wool over Joe Rogan's Eyes...
« Reply #798 on: January 11, 2022, 06:54:01 AM »
I discuss Bolden in my post. He made an allegation. Show me some evidence to back him up.

Something. Anything.

Just one document.

Some testimony.

Anything.

That is the challenge.

fred

Don't worry, Fred, in my next post I'll share why I believe the license plate link was properly ruled out by the FBI at the time.

There was this, but it was a misunderstanding due to incomplete knowledge of those "advancing" it...

From James Douglass's book, "Unspeakable," a poorly researched description,



www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62459#relPageId=195

www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62270#relPageId=78

Page at this link concludes on next page...
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10448#relPageId=12


Like an elementary school classroom game of gossip, suspicions had morphed to this, from a CT's 1977 letter to
HSCA's Rep. Carl Stokes,

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Lee Harvey Oswald was not Impersonated at Bolton Ford
« Reply #799 on: January 11, 2022, 02:25:19 PM »
Lee Harvey Oswald was not Impersonated at Bolton Ford
The Friends of Democratic Cuba wanted to buy some vans in January 1961 at the Bolton Ford dealership in New Orleans. The name "Oswald" was written in the upper corner of the quote form. For years, conspiracy theorists have believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was impersonated. I believe that I have found the truth about what really happened.

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/lee-harvey-oswald-was-not-impersonated-at-bolton-ford

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Lee Harvey Oswald was not Impersonated at Bolton Ford
« Reply #799 on: January 11, 2022, 02:25:19 PM »