On The Trail Of Delusion

[Tom Scully]

“I wrote this book to expose the full truth about Jim Garrison and the danger of conspiracy thinking. Several authors have tried to rehabilitate Garrison, and I wanted to use primary documents to show just how deluded he was.”

I've been reading your website Fred. I had a look to see what else you are utterly convinced are facts about the assassination of JFK. I'm most fascinated by the three tramp photos, so I've almost gobbled up every little detail I can find. I'm trying to figure out who those people in the photos are. Also, what they were doing actually on the day. You know, trying to picture what those tramps would be really like in real life (I know all we have are 7 photos). ....

Did Fred Litwin interview Harold Doyle, or talk to his kids? or any family members to find out if he was actually the man in the photo's with the cops??
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How comes Fred Litwin goes around making announcements on his website/blog that he's solved the three tramps identity and yet he doesn't have the proof to back it up?

Well Fred?

Robert, it is a fascinating "area of study". On July 28, 2018, I posted,

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,948.msg24420.html#msg24420
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If even the BS is rife with coincidence, what are the odds of learning anything actually new and reliably verifiable?

http://jfkfacts.org/allen-dulles-first-ceo-of-the-secret-government/#comment-842336
sgt_doom
December 24, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Seriously no offense intended, Roy, but you are falling for the endless misdirection put out there ? first those so-called tramps Harrelson, Holt, etc., next they really are tramps, and on and on.
I attempt to explain this in my fumbling way at the site below (please search on ?assassins ball? and you?ll find it ? rather lengthy, so did not want to take up too much space at Mr. Morley?s outstanding site! (with links to declassified docs, etc.)
https://web.archive.org/web/20151225102900/http://www.zerohedge.com:80/news/2015-12-21/whistleblower-exposes-exactly-how-government-spies-your-cell-phone?page=2
(Four international assassins: on the grassy knoll, turned-up collar was Moise Maschkivitzan and Lazlo the Hungarian, third tramp really was a tramp [not Hunt], and on the overpass, Jean Souetre, and in the Dal-Tex Building, most likely Lucien Conein, the CIA assassin: two Frenchmen, on Belgian Jew, and a Hungarian.)
Nothing like all the disinformation they spread!

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I posted on the page linked in the quote box above that I was able to prove that the closest relatives of Moise Maschkivitzan, allegedly ZR/Rifle,  lived in 1963 within a mile of where Chauncey Holt claimed in his book he resided in Thousand Oaks, CA.

I've done at least a hundred comparisons using this Microsoft Azure demo website technology
since last November. I'm sharing it because it is the most sensitive and reliable of several I've tried.
It is a tool to obtain leads, reliable enough to confirm or eliminate hunches, not quite ready for trial court demo.

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cognitive-services/face/#overview

[Robert Reeves]

Tom, me and you are thinking alike. I shoved Doyle's mush through a facial analyzer and it also came out with some results. Sadly, I can't find his results anywhere on the program I used. But I have the guy that looks similarly to Doyle but isn't allegedly/actually him.



The person in the photo above is [unknown]. I don't know anything about it, other than someone must have posted it and said it looks like the smaller tramp and so I saved it. I cannot find the details about this person.

But anyway he matches the Doyle face pretty good using some website I found. To me it looks like the smaller Tramp more than any photos I've seen.

It was compared to this pic of the tramp below





That is a little bit hard to read, but says 81.6% match. For whatever good that does us.

I believe the pic was posted in the same context as the alleged interpen guys supposedly caught on camera, Danny Arce and co





When I saved this photo [below] it was titled Charles Rogers.



It could just be the Doyle guy.

Was the small tramp guy filmed walking past Oswald down in New Orleans

I believe Jack White noticed this



I'll tell you what, if I hadn't noticed the three tramps were released on the same day that JFK was killed, I'd have said that Doyle character is the small tramp in the photos. But their arrest sheets clearly state they were released on the 24th. Doyle person even said this on camera (2 or 3 days) he says. And the arrest sheet states they were arrested ''right after JFK shot''. But the tramps in the photos are shot (approximately is all we have) after 1pm.

It would be very interesting if anyone could locate the identity of this person. below. And also, what is the context to this person being photographed. Is it one of those dudes down in the swamps. The Interpen lot!




And if you throw that Lois Gibson (forensic and facial expert) stuff into the mix too, well it's then even cloudier.









Big claim for Fred Litwin to make - that he solved all these puzzles.
 

[Tom Scully]

Tom, me and you are thinking alike. I shoved Doyle's mush through a facial analyzer and it also came out with some results. Sadly, I can't find his results anywhere on the program I used. But I have the guy that looks similarly to Doyle but isn't allegedly/actually him. ...
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Big claim for Fred Litwin to make - that he solved all these puzzles.

Robert, great minds, I guess!

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth190294/


https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/285979588/


Disclosure, there was a William Abrams, b. 1915  in this tree. I created a new entry matching the obituary details
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/G8FS-64V






Are we done, AFA the old tramp, or are hold-outs claiming the FBI altered the birthdate on the arrest record?
Abrams was difficult to find on ancestrylibrary.com because until the obituary, in census and other records he went
by William, likely his actual given name. In 1910 - 1940 census records, his parents were Henry and Maggie.

I am satisfied, or I would not invest the time presenting these details...

[Tom Scully]

In the fullness of time, all ...some things are eventually revealed?

https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=65035409&article=055de308-103e-49bd-a415-15cd7ab8ae52&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjE0NDgxMjI4LCJpYXQiOjE2MzE0NjcxNTMsImV4cCI6MTYzMTU1MzU1M30.2U62BGC7QZ4uwRKw24NlmBD_4_dJi4Hepn6sKEIgPec


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36267917/john-forrester-gedney


Salem, Ore.

[Fred Litwin]

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-lee-harvey-oswald-a-man-of-the-right

[Steve M. Galbraith]

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/was-lee-harvey-oswald-a-man-of-the-right

I guess we can debate whether he truly understood and embraced Marxism or whether it was simply something he found that answered his questions as to why the world he grew up in was so miserable and so unjust. Which, in his defense, it largely was. Perhaps a bit of both (and I do think some of the key concepts of Marxism were understood by him in some detail; if you correct his spelling and grammatical errors in his writings, as Noman Mailer did in his book on Oswald, you can see that they're somewhat sophisticated).

But the evidence that he disliked, indeed hated, the American political and economic systems is, for me, conclusive. He found it unjust and irredeemable. Indeed, he told Michael Paine shortly before the assassination that the American system had to be completely overthrown, that incremental changes would not work. It could not reformed; it had to be replaced. And in a Marxist/leftist type direction.

The only response to all of this is, as Weisberg and Garrison argued, that it was an act or a cover; that because his favorite TV show as a teenager was about a man pretending to be a Marxist (Herbert Philbrick) that he too was acting out this fake life. Either for his own bizarre reasons or because he was directed to do so by others. I find it quite unlikely that someone would direct him at the age of 16 to create this cover or "legend." For what purpose? But then again I'm not a JFK conspiracist.

[Jon Banks]

No, he was a Leftwinger. A Liberal who maybe agreed with some aspects of Marxism.

What most Conservative Americans don’t seem to understand about the Left is that there’s a long anti-Communist tradition among Western Liberals. Some of the most rabid anti-Communists of the postwar era were Liberals (ie George Orwell).

Based on Oswald’s writing and things he told people close to him after he returned to the US from the USSR, he wasn’t a Communist by that time and didn’t view the Soviet system as superior to the American political system. In the summer of 63’ he wrote that ‘he chose the LESSER evil by returning to the United States’.

He rejected Racial Segregation and supported the Civil Rights movement which put him in line with most Liberals in the early 60s. It also makes sense that he agreed with Kennedy’s support of MLK and Civil Rights.

When I look at Oswald’s biography, the biggest thing that sticks out for me are his numerous friends and associates who were rightwing or rabid anti-Comminists.

I can’t name any friends or associates of Oswald in the US who were Far-Left or communists. Isn’t that odd? The Paines are close to the only known Far-Left associates of Oswald and I suspect that they were Liberal anti-Communists.

As for his support of Cuba/Castro, I’m not certain that it was genuine or based on devotion to communism. Castro was still a darling of the Left in the early-60s. People on the Left were still optimistic that he might be a great leader for Cuba at that time.

Castro, when he visited Harlem in the early 1960s, called out the hypocrisy of the US in terms of the way Black Americans were treated. The contradictions were noted by Dr. Martin Luther King, who opposed imperialism and colonialism:

Cuba’s willingness to exploit the United States’s contradictory foreign policy position and domestic racial turmoil helped spur the White House to resort to terrorism and other illegal, covert reprisals against the island nation. It also reinforced the repressive instincts already being brought to bear against American blacks. Ten days after Martin Luther King, Jr. denounced the botched Bay of Pigs invasion as “a disservice … to the whole of humanity” and called on the United States to “join the revolution” against “colonialism, reactionary dictatorship, and systems of exploitation” the world over, the Senate convened a committee investigating Cuban influence on American blacks…

https://newrepublic.com/article/131793/castro-came-harlem

I tend to view Oswald and the JFK assassination within the broader context of what was happening in the US in those times. I don’t know if others do this.


Even if we accept at face value that Oswald was a devoted Marxist or Communist when he was a naïve teenager, we're faced with the question of why he returned to the US. Most likely he became disillusioned with Soviet style communism while living in the USSR and his remarks in 1963 where he ridiculed communists and the Soviet Union were genuine...

[John Mytton]

But the evidence that he disliked, indeed hated, the American political and economic systems is, for me, conclusive. He found it unjust and irredeemable. Indeed, he told Michael Paine shortly before the assassination that the American system had to be completely overthrown, that incremental changes would not work. It could not reformed; it had to be replaced. And in a Marxist/leftist type direction.

Mr. RANKIN. Did he tell you why he had shot at General Walker?
Mrs. OSWALD. I told him that he had no right to kill people in peacetime, he had no right to take their life because not everybody has the same ideas as he has. People cannot be all alike. He said that this was a very bad man, that he was a fascist, that he was the leader of a fascist organization, and when I said that even though all of that night be true, just the same he had no right to take his life, he said if someone had killed Hitler in time it would have saved many lives. I told him that this is no method to prove your ideas, by means of a rifle.

JohnM