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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Jim Garrison's Homosexual Shakedown Operation
« Reply #336 on: November 04, 2021, 08:28:36 PM »
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A gay person is the last person the CIA would chose as one of its agents. It’s too easy to turn them by threatening to expose them.

A gay person is the most logical person for Jim Garrison to choose to prosecute with a bogus case. Such a person cannot present any character witnesses because they may be asked, by the DA, under oath, if they know anything about the defendant being a homosexual. A disaster for the defense given the attitude of the public in the 1960’s towards gays. The people that the defense can call upon to testify is greatly restricted.
All true but that's assuming that the CIA knew Shaw was gay. I'm not sure that, in particular during the late 1940s and 1950s, that it was known to any degree. If you read Donald Carpenter's book on Shaw, "Man of a Million Fragments", you'll see that some close friends of Shaw's, especially women, knew he was gay but some others, also close, were surprised to learn about it. And again, it seems that during that 1950s period that Shaw was more discreet about his personal life. It was only during the 1960s that he was more open about it.  At least that's the view I got from the book.

And remember that Shaw served with distinction in the Army during WWII. So it was kept secret at least during that period.

Question: Wouldn't there be some indication in a CIA file about this? Such as, "We'd like to use Shaw more but his homosexuality makes it risky"? I'm not aware that the CIA documented such a matter.
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Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #337 on: November 04, 2021, 08:44:12 PM »
Again, all you have is that Clay Shaw was a domestic contact of the CIA from 1948-1956. That's it. Ike 150,000 other businessmen, he
discussed what he knew about international trade. QK/ENCHANT was not an operational project - it was an unwitting clearance for
other people to use Shaw for information. It was J. Montroe Sullivan who was cleared for that. Again, nothing operational.

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #338 on: November 04, 2021, 10:11:39 PM »
Again, all you have is that Clay Shaw was a domestic contact of the CIA from 1948-1956. That's it. Ike 150,000 other businessmen, he
discussed what he knew about international trade. QK/ENCHANT was not an operational project - it was an unwitting clearance for
other people to use Shaw for information. It was J. Montroe Sullivan who was cleared for that. Again, nothing operational.

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Yes, that makes Shaw part of the intelligence apparatus.

We don't know for certain that his relationship with the intelligence community ended in 1956 (maybe we'll learn more about that in the future). Often times its a revolving door type of relationship. But there's no denying that he was part of the CIA's network of civilian informants.

Also, the CIA expressed a serious interest in the Clay Shaw trial, which is another Tell...

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Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #339 on: November 04, 2021, 10:44:23 PM »
We do know that his involvement ended in 1956.

The CIA expressed an interest in Garrison because he was accusing them of a variety of crimes. I'd be interested too. But
they didn't do anything about it. In fact, they were asked by help by Shaw's defense team, and they said no.

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #340 on: November 04, 2021, 11:37:12 PM »
We do know that his involvement ended in 1956.

The CIA expressed an interest in Garrison because he was accusing them of a variety of crimes. I'd be interested too. But
they didn't do anything about it. In fact, they were asked by help by Shaw's defense team, and they said no.

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The CIA still has secret files on Garrison and the Clay Shaw trial. Nothing suspicious about that.  ::)

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Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #341 on: November 05, 2021, 04:20:08 AM »
No they don't.  But if you have some evidence that they do, then post it.

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #342 on: November 05, 2021, 04:44:00 AM »
No they don't.  But if you have some evidence that they do, then post it.

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The CIA retains two secret files on New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, the crusading prosecutor who inspired Oliver Stone’s hit movie “JFK.”

The files–whose existence was first reported by JFK Facts- are among the 3,600 secret U.S. government records related to JFK’s assassination that are scheduled to be released in October 2017.


https://jfkfacts.org/the-cia-is-hiding-two-secret-files-on-jim-garrison-the-prosecutor-celebrated-in-the-jfk-movie/

Online Fred Litwin

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Re: Was Clay Shaw part of the "intelligence apparatus" of New Orleans?
« Reply #343 on: November 05, 2021, 04:30:44 PM »
But so what? We have enough documentation on Clay Shaw and the CIA to know exactly what he did and what
he did not do.

At some point, those documents will be released...and then you will complain that there is nothing in writing.

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