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Online Richard Smith

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #392 on: November 19, 2021, 09:26:54 PM »
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She said she took “one photo” (it looks like several different poses were photographed) and today she denies ever taking the photos.

If you’re going to lean so much on Marina’s testimony, don’t cherry-pick or at least acknowledge that she’s given inconsistent testimony…

If she took one photo, that means at least one BY photo is authentic and depict Oswald holding the rifle.  What would then be the point of any conspirator faking the other photos?  It doesn't make any sense.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #393 on: November 19, 2021, 10:21:03 PM »
Did you read her HSCA testimony. She said she took two photographs but she wasn't sure how many. They showed
her the third photograph, and she just shrugged. Yeah, ok..I must have taken three.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #394 on: November 19, 2021, 10:21:14 PM »
If she took one photo, that means at least one BY photo is authentic and depict Oswald holding the rifle.  What would then be the point of any conspirator faking the other photos?  It doesn't make any sense.

The photos are very incriminating for Oswald regardless of who took them.

It seems to me that the questions about the discrepancies with the Carcano rifle are the bigger concern.


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Online Jon Banks

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #395 on: November 19, 2021, 10:36:29 PM »
Did you read her HSCA testimony. She said she took two photographs but she wasn't sure how many. They showed
her the third photograph, and she just shrugged. Yeah, ok..I must have taken three.

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You’re correct. She said she took two but also inaccurately described how to use the Imperial Reflex camera (it operates differently than most cameras).

My broader point stands. Marina changed her stories too many times to be considered a good witness.

She even said at one point that she didn’t know Lee owned a rifle until they moved to New Orleans, which contradicted her later testimony about the backyard photos and the Gen. Walker incident.

She was a bad liar or had a poor memory but either way, she wasn’t a great witness.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #397 on: November 20, 2021, 08:14:46 AM »
A few notes on the Backyard photos:

- There are visible differences between the rifle in the BYP and the Sixth Floor rifle.

- The Sixth floor rifle appears to be a different Carcano model than the one Oswald allegedly ordered.

- Marina says she didn't take the photos fwiw. I've long held that Marina isn't a credible witness due to her willingness to lie and misremember stuff but LN'ers almost always cherry-pick the testimony from Marina that supports their narrative while downplaying her credibility problems.

- I have no idea what to think of the rifle and backyard photo controversies. It isn't the most important issue in my opinion. It's just one of many weird things in the Kennedy assassination investigations.

"There are visible differences between the rifle in the BYP and the Sixth Floor rifle."

I wasn't aware of this.
If true, it is tremendously important.
What are the "visible differences"?

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #398 on: November 20, 2021, 04:42:16 PM »
The photos are very incriminating for Oswald regardless of who took them.

It seems to me that the questions about the discrepancies with the Carcano rifle are the bigger concern.
I'll defer to the photographic experts who used technical methods to examine the photos over our - yours or mine or anyone's - eyeball interpretation. Wouldn't you?

Jon, you don't really think your judgment is superior to what the photographic experts did? Yes, maybe they are wrong - appeal to authority and all. But just saying your view is superior to theirs isn't persuasive.

And to clarify: their conclusion was, if I recall (too lazy to check right now) that it was "probably" the same rifle not that it definitely was.
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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
« Reply #399 on: November 20, 2021, 04:45:22 PM »
You’re correct. She said she took two but also inaccurately described how to use the Imperial Reflex camera (it operates differently than most cameras).

My broader point stands. Marina changed her stories too many times to be considered a good witness.

She even said at one point that she didn’t know Lee owned a rifle until they moved to New Orleans, which contradicted her later testimony about the backyard photos and the Gen. Walker incident.

She was a bad liar or had a poor memory but either way, she wasn’t a great witness.
But no one is relying solely on her account. There's physical evidence as well. The camera "signature", the negative, the handwriting on the back, the DeMohrenschildts presented one of the photos, et cetera. Look at the totality of evidence.

This is a classic example of, I think, bad and wrongheaded conspiracy thinking: it "looks" funny therefore it's suspicious and is evidence of something conspiratorial or sinister.

Oswald did everything he could to distance himself from that rifle. He told the police he never owned one while in the US (except perhaps for a .22), he said he didn't live on Neely Street where the photos were taken, he said the photos were faked, he said he didn't know anyone by the name of Hidell, he said he didn't bring a large package to work with him that day. It's another long list of evidence pointing towards his guilt.

Yes, this is what the interrogators said he said. So they lied? He did own a rifle? He did use the Hidell name? He did bring a large package with him? In either case, this is damning evidence.

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Re: JFK Revisited: Were the Oswald Backyard Photographs Faked?
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