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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2020, 12:58:15 PM »
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Oswald was to be transported in an armored truck as part of a long procession of police cars traveling from the Commerce Street ramp to the entrance to the county jail.

The armored truck was sitting atop the Commerce Street ramp.  This was to be the vehicle that Oswald would be placed in to be taken to the county jail.  The driver of the truck had concerns about backing the truck down the ramp, fearing that the truck would stall on it's way up the ramp after picking up it's very infamous passenger.  The driver was also concerned with the overhead air conditioning ducts.

Fritz didn't learn of the plan to transfer Oswald in the armored truck until Sunday mid-morning.  He objected heavily.  Fritz went to Curry with the idea that the alleged assassin should secretly be transferred in one of the police cars in the procession and that the armored truck would be a decoy.  Curry agreed and they set the plan into action.

Fritz ordered Lt. Rio Pierce to take one of the police cars from the basement, take it up the Main Street ramp and go around the block to the Commerce Street side to take the lead position in the procession to the county jail.

Jack Ruby wired the money to his dancer at 11:17 a.m. and headed to the top of the Main Street ramp as he walked out the door of the Western Union office, which was only a half block away from the top of the ramp.  The money wire receipt was time stamped at 11:17.

As the car driven by Lt. Pierce made it's way up the Main Street ramp to begin it's trek around the block to the Commerce Street side, officer Roy Vaughn, who's sole job was to guard the top of the Main Street ramp, stepped out into the street to halt traffic so that Pierce's car could turn onto Main and head around the block.  With Vaughn no longer guarding his post, Ruby entered the ramp and made his way down.

James Turner, an employee of WBAP-TV Fort Worth, was standing at the bottom of the ramp on the east side, near the railing.
 He testified that shortly before the shooting of Oswald, he observed a man making his way down the ramp who he (Turner) was confident was Jack Ruby.

Det. Jim Leavelle spoke with Ruby while Ruby was in custody at City Hall.  Leavelle asked Ruby how he got into the basement.  Ruby stated that when the car driven by Rio Pierce came up the ramp and the guard went out into the street, he walked down the ramp.

Leavelle wanted to see if Ruby was being truthful so he asked his men if any of them knew who drove the car up the ramp just before the shooting.  None of them knew who the driver was.  Leavelle then went to Capt. Fritz and asked him who was driving the car.  Fritz told Leavelle that he ordered Lt. Pierce to take one of the police cars in the basement and take it up the ramp to go around the block to Commerce Street.

None of Leavelle's men knew who drove the car up the ramp but Jack Ruby was perfectly aware of who was driving that car because he saw Pierce driving it with his own eyes.

Ruby gained entrance into the basement via the Main Street ramp.

Oswald was shot at 11:21 a.m., just four minutes after Ruby wired the money to his dancer.  Ruby was in the basement no more than forty-five seconds before he shot the wretched waif Oswald.  If Ruby had arrived in the basement much earlier, he would surely had been noticed and made to leave.

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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2020, 01:01:23 PM »
After shooting Oswald, Ruby was immediately taken upstairs. He was interrogated for hours. During this time, Sergeant Patrick Dean, Detective Don Archer, Detective Barnard Clardy and Detective Tom McMillan all four heard Ruby say, at that early stage, that he came down the ramp after Pierce drove the car up the ramp.

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2020, 03:04:05 PM »
To make sure that the patsy was killed right after the assasination.

As Bugliosi stated, he would have been 'driven to his death'. Instead, he's out there on his own, free to blab to the press and cops.

You CTers are the real patsies, wasting your lives trying to protect a cold-blooded killer.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2020, 03:05:11 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Online Richard Smith

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2020, 04:16:52 PM »
Ruby and Tippit were going to be inplicated in a conspiracy to kill JFK. The DPD and Ruby both needed the patsy dead.

How exactly was shooting Oswald in the presence of multiple witnesses including law enforcement and a live TV crew going to assist Ruby?  Going to jail for murder doesn't appear to do a whole lot for his cause. 

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2020, 06:04:38 PM »
As Bugliosi stated, he would have been 'driven to his death'. Instead, he's out there on his own, free to blab to the press and cops.

You CTers are the real patsies, wasting your lives trying to protect a cold-blooded killer.

Here's the "patsy" that "they" needed to silence because he would expose their conspiracy. Those things in his face are microphones. The big thing on the right is a live TV camera.



Oswald met in private with his wife, his brother, his mother and the head of the Dallas Bar Association. He was able to make unmonitored phone calls.  At any of these moments he could have exposed the conspiracy.

If you need to silence a person you simply don't allow those things to happen.

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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2020, 06:27:32 PM »
Here's the "patsy" that "they" needed to silence because he would expose their conspiracy. Those things in his face are microphones. The big thing on the right is a live TV camera.



Oswald met in private with his wife, his brother, his mother and the head of the Dallas Bar Association. He was able to make unmonitored phone calls.  At any of these moments he could have exposed the conspiracy.

If you need to silence a person you simply don't allow those things to happen.

What if Oswald wasn't "in" on the Conspiracy?

Like what if he realized he was the "Patsy" but didn't know who set him up?

Killing him prevented his case from going to Trial and allowed space for those involved with the coverup to manufacture evidence...

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2020, 08:15:31 PM »
What if Oswald wasn't "in" on the Conspiracy?

Like what if he realized he was the "Patsy" but didn't know who set him up?

Killing him prevented his case from going to Trial and allowed space for those involved with the coverup to manufacture evidence...

Doesn't make much sense.  If Oswald doesn't know who set him up, then why silence him?  He couldn't implicate anyone else and if the conspirators could "manufacture" evidence, then they could do so regardless of whether Oswald was alive or dead.  Oswald's protests of innocence would be meaningless if the evidence convicted him.  Recruiting Ruby (a screwball) to murder Oswald in police custody and then keep him silent while spending the rest of his life in jail would be a lot more risky.

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Re: How did Ruby get into the basement?
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2020, 09:10:06 PM »
Doesn't make much sense.  If Oswald doesn't know who set him up, then why silence him? 

It depends. He might've known enough to eventually give clues on who set him up.

Assuming Oswald didn't have amnesia like Sirhan Sirhan, I don't see why Conspiracy plotters would let him live long enough to Lawyer up and go to Trial...

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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2020, 09:10:06 PM »