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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2020, 05:35:05 AM »
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 He promptly left town, instead of staying and supporting his mother.  Why?

Are you aware that he was already boked aboard a CIA ship to travel to Europe BEFORE he was evaer released from active duty ......And are you aware that there is no record of HOW??  Lee traveled from London to Finland  ( there were no commercial flights that would have allowed him to arrive in Finland to sign the register at the hotel in Helsinki.....  (He had to have been flown by a military flight  )
 
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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2020, 04:36:04 PM »
Lee was released from active duty ( Not discharged ) early so that they would have enough time to get him in position in the USSR prior to the CIA  U-2  Spy plane  over flights.....    The CIA wanted him in the USSR to establish a  base from which he could transmit a radio signal by which the U-2 could navigate.  The pilot would know when to turn on the cameras and record the city below.

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2020, 04:17:35 PM »
Cool story, bro.

Thank You.....For acknowledging that they had prepared Lee's itinerary BEFORE he ever was released from active duty....

An aside .....   In the 90'3 I saw the Marion Lykes anchored  with the CIA fleet in Suisun bay near Martinez California. she was tied up along side the Glomar Explorer and another CIA vessel....

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
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Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2020, 11:12:25 AM »


Are you aware that he was already boked aboard a CIA ship to travel to Europe BEFORE he was evaer released from active duty ......And are you aware that there is no record of HOW??  Lee traveled from London to Finland  ( there were no commercial flights that would have allowed him to arrive in Finland to sign the register at the hotel in Helsinki.....  (He had to have been flown by a military flight  )
 

You really are years behind, aren't you? This was debunked, by CT researchers, back in 1991!! Cakebread, you're an embarrassment.

Credit to Jim Root.
"In responding to the requests of the Warren Commission, the CIA stated that they could not identify any direct flight from London to Helsinki that would have allowed Oswald to arrive in Helsinki with sufficient time to check into the Torni Hotel. It took until 1994, thirty-one years after the Kennedy assassination, for researcher Chris Mills to discover that there were two airline flights that Oswald could have selected. The first, via Copenhagen, left London at 8:05 AM and arrived in Helsinki at 5:05 PM, the second left London at 8:50 AM and stopped in Stockholm before arriving in Helsinki at 5:35 PM. Either of these flights would have placed Oswald in Helsinki in time to register at the Torni Hotel."

Credit to Peter Vronsky.
"In responding to Warren Commission requests, the CIA wrote that they could not identify any direct flight from London to Helsinki that would have allowed Oswald to arrive in time to book into his Helsinki hotel on the evening of October 10, 1959. [CE 2677]  That gave rise to infinite speculation of Oswald perhaps taking a military flight from London to Helsinki--again suggesting evidence that there was some sort of intelligence function behind Oswald's journey. This defies logic. Presumably any intelligence mission that Oswald was on was clandestine. After having Oswald take a slow boat to LaHavre, a ferry to Southhampton, a public train to London, would an intelligence service then suddenly expose him by putting him on a military transport for the final hop to Helsinki?  Moreover, Finland was not a NATO country where a discreet military flight could be hosted. 
     The solution is probably more prosaic. While there were no direct flights within the required time span, there were connecting flights. In 1994, Fred Huntley, Consultant Archivist, British Airways Archives and Museum Collection, Heathrow Airport, Hounslow, wrote to researcher Chris Mills stating that there was a choice of two other flights from London, one via Copenhagen (08:05) and the other via Stockholm (08:50). Either of these could have been utilized by Oswald, and both would have been offered if he had arrived in the early hours of the 10th trying to book a flight. These flights would have arrived in Helsinki at 17:05 and 17:35 respectively, thus giving Oswald ample time to book into his hotel in Helsinki on the evening of October 10."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2397-serendipity/?tab=comments#comment-14263
http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/journey.htm
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/fancy2.txt
« Last Edit: November 07, 2020, 12:19:51 PM by Denis Pointing »

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2020, 03:18:13 PM »
You really are years behind, aren't you? This was debunked, by CT researchers, back in 1991!! Cakebread, you're an embarrassment.

Credit to Jim Root.
"In responding to the requests of the Warren Commission, the CIA stated that they could not identify any direct flight from London to Helsinki that would have allowed Oswald to arrive in Helsinki with sufficient time to check into the Torni Hotel. It took until 1994, thirty-one years after the Kennedy assassination, for researcher Chris Mills to discover that there were two airline flights that Oswald could have selected. The first, via Copenhagen, left London at 8:05 AM and arrived in Helsinki at 5:05 PM, the second left London at 8:50 AM and stopped in Stockholm before arriving in Helsinki at 5:35 PM. Either of these flights would have placed Oswald in Helsinki in time to register at the Torni Hotel."

Credit to Peter Vronsky.
"In responding to Warren Commission requests, the CIA wrote that they could not identify any direct flight from London to Helsinki that would have allowed Oswald to arrive in time to book into his Helsinki hotel on the evening of October 10, 1959. [CE 2677]  That gave rise to infinite speculation of Oswald perhaps taking a military flight from London to Helsinki--again suggesting evidence that there was some sort of intelligence function behind Oswald's journey. This defies logic. Presumably any intelligence mission that Oswald was on was clandestine. After having Oswald take a slow boat to LaHavre, a ferry to Southhampton, a public train to London, would an intelligence service then suddenly expose him by putting him on a military transport for the final hop to Helsinki?  Moreover, Finland was not a NATO country where a discreet military flight could be hosted. 
     The solution is probably more prosaic. While there were no direct flights within the required time span, there were connecting flights. In 1994, Fred Huntley, Consultant Archivist, British Airways Archives and Museum Collection, Heathrow Airport, Hounslow, wrote to researcher Chris Mills stating that there was a choice of two other flights from London, one via Copenhagen (08:05) and the other via Stockholm (08:50). Either of these could have been utilized by Oswald, and both would have been offered if he had arrived in the early hours of the 10th trying to book a flight. These flights would have arrived in Helsinki at 17:05 and 17:35 respectively, thus giving Oswald ample time to book into his hotel in Helsinki on the evening of October 10."

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2397-serendipity/?tab=comments#comment-14263
http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/journey.htm
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/fancy2.txt

So you think that is a plausible explanation for Lee's ability to get an early separation from the Marines and then hop aboard a CIA ship with a passport and all his visa's in hand ??   

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2020, 03:18:13 PM »


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2020, 03:40:50 AM »
One thing is blatantly obvious...Oswald was never charged by the authorities concerning any of these shenanigans--Claiming a false hardship discharge* ...supposedly/possibly conspiring with the Soviets to release certain radar secrets [espionage] in addition to at least threatening to renounce his citizenship.
Relinquishing one's citizenship is not itself criminal but presently, it takes one year and costs $2300 to do this. Back in 1960 I believe it was $450.
* Chapter 37---- https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-70/pdf/STATUTE-70A-Pg1.pdf 
* Page 374 Article 6407--- https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447
If there was actually no hardship involved [and Oswald had other brothers to step in and help their mother] He was subject to availability to be recalled into the service. Oswald was allowed to skate concerning these irregularities ....WHY?

Offline Denis Pointing

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2020, 02:18:12 PM »
One thing is blatantly obvious...Oswald was never charged by the authorities concerning any of these shenanigans--Claiming a false hardship discharge* ...supposedly/possibly conspiring with the Soviets to release certain radar secrets [espionage] in addition to at least threatening to renounce his citizenship.
Relinquishing one's citizenship is not itself criminal but presently, it takes one year and costs $2300 to do this. Back in 1960 I believe it was $450.
* Chapter 37---- https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-70/pdf/STATUTE-70A-Pg1.pdf 
* Page 374 Article 6407--- https://www.marines.mil/portals/1/Publications/MCO%201900.16%20CH%202.pdf?ver=2019-02-26-080015-447
If there was actually no hardship involved [and Oswald had other brothers to step in and help their mother] He was subject to availability to be recalled into the service. Oswald was allowed to skate concerning these irregularities ....WHY?

There's really nothing suspicious nor even unusual in Oswald not being prosecuted on his return, on the contrary, it was normal practice. There were literally hundreds of US defectors during the cold war and very rarely were any prosecuted; https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/defector.htm
Also, you may find useful an article from the Mary Ferrell Foundation by CT researcher Bill Simpich, who quite convincingly argues that Oswald didn't actually break any national security laws: "However, I am not aware of any law that imposed liability for Oswald to threaten to violate his termination agreement by disclosing the mundane things that he had learned on the job - as long as he didn't actually do it. Nor was it illegal for him to actually disclose electronic skills, if he could successfully argue that he had learned these things before he entered the Marines. His stepfather Edwin Ekdahl was an electronics engineer and a researcher in the field - that provided the young Oswald with a lot of protective cover."
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Essay_-_Oswald_Legend_3.html
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Online Gerry Down

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Re: Oswalds early discharge from the marines. Why?
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2020, 01:52:33 AM »
When Oswald got his early discharge from the marines in 1959, how early was it? Had he months or years left to do?

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« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2020, 01:52:33 AM »