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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2020, 04:04:16 PM »
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Taking a knee in front of Oswald is all anyone has to know about your presence here.

Listen up, Chappie....   You obviously BELIEVE the Lee Oswald was the epitome of evil, and therefore nobody has the right to doubt  your belief and respect him in death.   

I for one very seriously doubt that Lee had any active and knowing role in the murder of President Kennedy.

BUT .... I say BUT?... If he did?....    he would deserve the same respect we extend to any mentally ill person ,

Hitler and his minions thought that all Jews were evil and  did not deserve to be respected..... And Let's not forget that Jesus Christ was scorned and ridiculed...and crucified.   

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2020, 04:04:16 PM »


Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2020, 04:49:20 PM »
In Warren Commission wonderland, there's an explanation for everything.
Except:
Oswald's bullets.
Oswald "ordering" one long gun, yet receiving a different one.

The ad pictured a considerably-shortened M91 Carcano rifle (the original one produced in large quantities during WWI). Klein's was no more shipping those rifles in early-1963 than they were the 36" model, because the price in the ad was for the 40" model.

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Altgens describing a shot directly in front of him, yet Warren Commission ignoring him as a witness, while utilizing his photograph as evidence.

    "I was prepared to make a picture at the very instant the President
     was shot. I had refocused to 15 feet because I wanted a good
     closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's why I know
     that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused in that area,
     and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened and that's
     as far as I got with my camera."



Altgens is on far-right; his camera bag is on the grass. The approximate location of the head shot is represented above by Z312, which is a clearer frame.

Altgens seems a bit off with his claim of being 15 feet from the head shot.

Altgens also claimed he was 30 feet from the President when he snapped his photo. But Liebeler wasn't buying it.

     Liebeler: "I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how
          you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took
          Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was
          hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now,
          you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's
          car when he was hit in the head."
     Altgens: "Well, I was about 15 feet from it."
     Liebeler: "But it was almost directly in front of you as it went down the
          street; isn't that right?"
     Altgens: "Yes."

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2020, 02:23:35 AM »
Jerry doesn't remember stationing position 4 + 95.

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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2020, 03:12:25 AM »
The ad pictured a considerably-shortened M91 Carcano rifle (the original one produced in large quantities during WWI). Klein's was no more shipping those rifles in early-1963 than they were the 36" model, because the price in the ad was for the 40" model.

    "I was prepared to make a picture at the very instant the President
     was shot. I had refocused to 15 feet because I wanted a good
     closeup of the President and Mrs. Kennedy, and that's why I know
     that it would be right at 15 feet, because I had prefocused in that area,
     and I had my camera almost to my eye when it happened and that's
     as far as I got with my camera."



Altgens is on far-right; his camera bag is on the grass. The approximate location of the head shot is represented above by Z312, which is a clearer frame.

Altgens seems a bit off with his claim of being 15 feet from the head shot.

Altgens also claimed he was 30 feet from the President when he snapped his photo. But Liebeler wasn't buying it.

     Liebeler: "I'm having trouble on this Exhibit No. 203 understanding how
          you could have been within 30 feet of the President's car when you took
          Commission Exhibit No. 203 and within 15 feet of the car when he was
          hit with the last shot in the head without having moved yourself. Now,
          you have previously indicated that you were right beside the President's
          car when he was hit in the head."
     Altgens: "Well, I was about 15 feet from it."
     Liebeler: "But it was almost directly in front of you as it went down the
          street; isn't that right?"
     Altgens: "Yes."

I don't think Altgens was too far out. He was preparing to take a pic at 15ft, the camera wasn't quite in front of his face at the time of the headshot so the limo was still a bit further than 15ft away as shown in in your (excellent) graphic. It was, maybe 25 - 30ft away when he saw the second of the two shots he recalls witnessing.

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Bullets
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2020, 03:17:10 AM »
I have previously posted about WC trying to ignore Altgens.

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« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2020, 03:17:10 AM »