The Bus Stop Farce

[Charles Collins]

I'm having a hard time trying to see the rip on that photo, but let's assume you are right and it is there. Let's further assume that the rip was indeed caused by the coupling on the pipe at the sniper's nest. Wouldn't there be fibers attached to the coupling?

Possibly, but not necessarily, (in my opinion). If Sherlock Holmes had been there with a very powerful magnifying glass, he might have found some. But as far as I know that coupling wasn’t searched for fibers. And there could be some small fibers there (that we cannot see in the photo) when that photo was taken.

Whether my hypothesis is correct or not isn’t critical to the case. I just believe that it is possible.

[Walt Cakebread]

Possibly, but not necessarily, (in my opinion). If Sherlock Holmes had been there with a very powerful magnifying glass, he might have found some. But as far as I know that coupling wasn’t searched for fibers. And there could be some small fibers there (that we cannot see in the photo) when that photo was taken.

Whether my hypothesis is correct or not isn’t critical to the case. I just believe that it is possible.

Talk about CT's grasping at straws!   

This is a really shallow and silly attempt to tie Lee Oswald to the staged "crime scene".....  I'd bet that you also believe the moon could be made of cheddar cheese.

[Charles Collins]

Talk about CT's grasping at straws!   

This is a really shallow and silly attempt to tie Lee Oswald to the staged "crime scene".....  I'd bet that you also believe the moon could be made of cheddar cheese.

This hypothesis is just an interesting possibility. That’s all it is.

[Richard Smith]

'Everything else was hearsay'
>>> And McDonald saw/said

Mr. BALL. I mean, were Oswald and McDonald struggling together?
Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir; and then when I got up close enough, I saw a pistol pointing at me so I reached and grabbed the pistol and jerked the pistol away and stuck it in my belt, and then I grabbed Oswald.

Mr. CARROLL. Like - he said he hadn't done anything except, well, he said, "I had a pistol, and that's all I've done - just carry a pistol."


Mr. HILL. Came down the north stairway, and the commotion would have been to my right or just south of the center of the theatre near the back. Went over, and as I ran to them I saw some officers struggling with a white male.
I reached out and grabbed the left arm of the suspect, and just before I got to him I heard somebody yell, "Look out, he's got a gun."

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. BALL - Did you feel the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Which hand was--was his right hand or his left hand on the pistol?
Mr. McDONALD - His right hand was on the pistol.
Mr. BALL - And which of your hands?
Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. What happened then?
Mr. HAWKINS. They had a scuffle and I immediately ran to the location. Officer Hutson had come in the aisle behind Oswald and McDonald and Officer Walker had come in on the left-hand side and I came up in the front. I grabbed his left hand and then immediately took my handcuffs out and put them on his left hand and we brought his right arm around as soon as the gun had been removed and handcuffed his right arm with both hands behind his back.

Mr. HAWKINS. I remember seeing him standing beside Oswald, and when I arrived where they were, both of them were down in the seat--Oswald and McDonald had both fallen down into the seat, and very shortly after I got there, a gun was pulled, came out of Oswald's belt and was pulled across to their right, or toward the south aisle of the theatre.
Officer McDonald grabbed the pistol, and the best I can remember, Sergeant Hill, who had gotten there, said, "I've got the gun," and he took the gun and we handcuffed Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

Talk about CT's grasping at straws!   

This is a really shallow and silly attempt to tie Lee Oswald to the staged "crime scene".....  I'd bet that you also believe the moon could be made of cheddar cheese.

Nobody is grasping at straws here, Walt. Least of all CT's because what is being discussed is Oswald wearing a different shirt on Friday morning than the one he was arrested in.

In other words; there is a shirt Oswald had on in the morning for which no matching fibers are ever found at the sniper's nest and there is a shirt Oswald was arrested in, after changing his clothes, for which the FBI claims to have found matching fibers (whatever that exactly means) on the rifle found at the TSBD.

At best there's something very weird here.... at worst, well do the math.

[Richard Smith]

Nobody is grasping at straws here, Walt. Least of all CT's because what is being discussed is Oswald wearing a different shirt on Friday morning than the one he was arrested in.

In other words; there is a shirt Oswald had on in the morning for which no matching fibers are ever found at the sniper's nest and there is a shirt Oswald was arrested in, after changing his clothes, for which the FBI claims to have found matching fibers (whatever that exactly means) on the rifle found at the TSBD.

At best there's something very weird here.... at worst, well do the math.

Bledsoe indicated that the shirt Oswald was wearing on the bus just after the assassination had the hole in it and the bus transfer was found in the pocket of that shirt.  So the arrest shirt is most likely the same one that he had on that morning.  Regardless, if the fibers come from Oswald's shirt - even if you don't think it was he one he wore that morning - it still links him to the rifle.  In that scenario, they just got on his rifle at some earlier time.  The importance is that - like all evidence in this case - it points to Oswald.  But the shirt fibers are just a cherry on top of Oswald's sundae of guilt.  He left his rifle at the murder scene.  He lied about owing the rifle and offered no explanation for it to have been found in the TSBD.  He fled the scene.  Murdered a cop within an hour. That cooks his goose a thousand times over without the fibers.  All the other evidence against him just confirms the obvious.

[John Iacoletti]

Mr. BELIN. Do you know whose hand was on the gun when you saw it pointed in your direction?
Mr. CARROLL. No; I do not.

C.T. Walker report to Curry (12/2/63):
"Officer McDonald started grappling with the suspect and Officer Hutson and I ran toward them.  Officer Hutson reached over from the seat behind the suspect and grabbed him around the neck.  I reached and grabbed the suspect's left arm.  I do not know where Officer Ray Hawkins came from, but he was to my left arm in front of the suspect, also attempting to hold him.  I could see Officer McDonald and the suspect grappling over the gun.  The suspect had his right hand on it and so did Officer McDonald.  The gun was being waved around approximately waist high."

Walker ran towards them after the "grappling" started and saw them both with their hands on a gun.  Nothing about seeing it in his waistband before McDonald started scuffling with him.