The Bus Stop Farce

[Richard Smith]

Markham said that she was on her way to catch the bus to take her to work.   She said that the time was 1:06 when she saw Tippit get out of his patrol car to talk to a young man who had been walking north on 10th street.    She said she routinely caught the 1:15 bus to take her to work.

Thus it's logical that she would want to be at the bus stop a few minutes before 1:15 to be certain she wouldn't be late and miss the bus.  So as You've pointed out if the time of the murder was 1:16 then Markham wouldn't have been at 10th & Patton to witness the murder of JD Tippit.

And in her sworn affidavit she stated clearly that the time that Tippit was shot  was !:06.......

Do you believe that her routine could not vary even by a few minutes or that her estimates of times might be off by a few minutes?  There are numerous examples in this case of individuals indicating that an event took place at a certain time when it is clear that it did not.  It is typically an estimate because they had no reason to note the exact time at the moment. And Markham only has to be off in her estimate by a small fraction of time.  People on that day were not using a stop watch to time their routine actions.  It is absurd to suggest that a pedantic and speculative timeline framed around Markham's typical routine rebuts the evidence that links Oswald to the Tippit murder.  It is laughable even by the low standards of CTers.

[Martin Weidmann]

Do you believe that her routine could not vary even by a few minutes or that her estimates of times might be off by a few minutes?  There are numerous examples in this case of individuals indicating that an event took place at a certain time when it is clear that it did not.  It is typically an estimate because they had no reason to note the exact time at the moment. And Markham only has to be off in her estimate by a small fraction of time.  People on that day were not using a stop watch to time their routine actions.  It is absurd to suggest that a pedantic and speculative timeline framed around Markham's typical routine rebuts the evidence that links Oswald to the Tippit murder.  It is laughable even by the low standards of CTers.

Do you believe that her routine could not vary even by a few minutes or that her estimates of times might be off by a few minutes?

Of course it could vary, but that's not the point. You simply are not getting it or don't want to get it. For this particular day there is a sequence of events that is documented with facts.

1. Markham arriving at 10th street and seeing Tippit get killed
2. Bowley arriving at 10th street just after Tippit was killed and working the radio
3. Callaway arriving at 10th street and seeing Bowley working the radio
4. Callaway and Bowley helping to put Tippit in the ambulance
5. Tippit being declared DOA at Methodist Hospital at 1.15
6. Detective Davenport confirming the DOA at 1.15

When you move Markham's timeline, you also need to move all others and that's what you can't do.
All you can do is dismiss it out of hand, which is what LNs always do when confronted with evidence they can't explain.

It is absurd to suggest that a pedantic and speculative timeline framed around Markham's typical routine rebuts the evidence that links Oswald to the Tippit murder.

The only problem for you is that the timeline is not framed around Markham's routine. It's a sequence of events which start with Markham's actions that are subsequently corroborated by factual information about all the other events that followed.

Markham said she left home just after 1pm. She only needed to walk one block to get to 10th street. Her own estimate was 1.06. Allow two minutes for the one block walk and you get her to 10th street at 1.08. She sees Tippit get shot.
Bowley said in his affidavit that when he arrived at the crime scene he saw the officer lying in the street and looked at his watch, which said 1.10. That is corroboration that Markham was indeed at 10th street prior to 1.10. .... and so on.

[Walt Cakebread]

Do you believe that her routine could not vary even by a few minutes or that her estimates of times might be off by a few minutes?

Of course it could vary, but that's not the point. You simply are not getting it or don't want to get it. For this particular day there is a sequence of events that is documented with facts.

1. Markham arriving at 10th street and seeing Tippit get killed
2. Bowley arriving at 10th street just after Tippit was killed and working the radio
3. Callaway arriving at 10th street and seeing Bowley working the radio
4. Callaway and Bowley helping to put Tippit in the ambulance
5. Tippit being declared DOA at Methodist Hospital at 1.15
6. Detective Davenport confirming the DOA at 1.15

When you move Markham's timeline, you also need to move all others and that's what you can't do.
All you can do is dismiss it out of hand, which is what LNs always do when confronted with evidence they can't explain.

It is absurd to suggest that a pedantic and speculative timeline framed around Markham's typical routine rebuts the evidence that links Oswald to the Tippit murder.

The only problem for you is that the timeline is not framed around Markham's routine. It's a sequence of events which start with Markham's actions that are subsequently corroborated by factual information about all the other events that followed.

Markham said she left home just after 1pm. She only needed to walk one block to get to 10th street. Her own estimate was 1.06. Allow two minutes for the one block walk and you get her to 10th street at 1.08. She sees Tippit get shot.
Bowley said in his affidavit that when he arrived at the crime scene he saw the officer lying in the street and looked at his watch, which said 1.10. That is corroboration that Markham was indeed at 10th street prior to 1.10. .... and so on.

Hi Martin,   Thank you for putting the time line in perspective....  Candid question:....  Do you believe these "Richard Smith" types actually believe the nebulous points they present??    IOW....  Are some folks really that dumb?

[Jerry Freeman]

Markham more than likely missed the 1:12 bus plenty of times and caught the 1:22 bus without even knowing the difference. 

Actually...she was meticulously punctual according to her friends, family and employer.

[Ross Lidell]

Actually...she was meticulously punctual according to her friends, family and employer.

Aaaargh... name the friends, family (members) and employer (manager, supervisor).

And the icing on the cake: Prove that Mrs Markham was never late for an appointment even one time in her life!

[Martin Weidmann]

Aaaargh... name the friends, family (members) and employer (manager, supervisor).

And the icing on the cake: Prove that Mrs Markham was never late for an appointment even one time in her life!

First you prove that your are actually alive.

I know, that's a stupid question, but it's just as stupid as yours.

It's irrelevant what Markham did or did not do on any other day than 11/22/63. All that matters is what happened on 11/22/63 and Markham told us what she did that day. Do you have any proof that what she said was not correct?

[Walt Cakebread]

Way too much logic for "Richard Smith", Walt

Huh??....  Logic ??....    How can that be?     Mr "Smith" believes that I'm an irrational conspiracy kook......

[Jerry Freeman]

  Prove that Mrs Markham was never late for an appointment even one time in her life!

Prove that she was late for her bus on Nov 22 '63. That is really what matters.