Where oh where?

[Richard Smith]

It always struck me as odd that Oswald defenders so desperately want Oswald's wallet to be found at the Tippit murder scene.  And they presumably believe it was planted there but for some inexplicable reason that defies explanation, that means the DPD cover up finding the very person's wallet who they are otherwise going to great pains to convict for the crime according to those same CTers!  Wow.

Is that all your limited brain capacity can process? There is one guy who seems to be a spider in this web and that's Captain Westbrook. He is the one on video who is holding the wallet found by Officer Croy at the Tippit scene and he is the one who asked FBI agent Barrett if he had ever heard of Oswald or Hidell. For it not to be a wallet linked to Oswald, Croy and Barrett must both be lying. Well, are they and why?

Westbrook is also the one who allegedly gave the white jacket found at the parking lot to an unidentified officer only to have the suddenly turned grey jacket (with initials from officers who were not even at the parking lot and/or in the chain of custody) back in his possession, some two hours later when he presents it to the evidence room. Where he got if from, nobody knows... There is no record for it.

The same goes for the wallet Westbrook had at the Tippit scene. We already know that it wasn't Tippit's and we have no idea where it went, as there is no record for it anywhere to be found. There is also no record whatsoever to be found for the wallet Bentley said he took from Oswald in the car after his arrest. What we do know is that Bentley went on TV the next day and told the world he had taken the wallet from Oswald. If Bentley presents himself on TV as the man who took Oswald's wallet from him, it's not unlikely - and this is speculation on my part - that he would have said the same thing at the police station when they brought Oswald in.

If my speculation is correct, the DPD had a problem, because now they had two wallets to deal with. The one Westbrook had, with the Oswald and Hidell ID's in it and the one Bentley took from Oswald. So, what happened next is crucial. Detective Rose started his shift around the time Oswald was brought in. He went to talk to him and some unidentified officer gave him a wallet, saying this was the wallet taken from Oswald. And low and behold it was the wallet that contained the Oswald and Hidell ID's.

You will probably not answer this, but I am going to ask anyway; What do you think could have possibly happened there?

Finding Oswald's wallet at the Tippt scene would have been highly incriminating to him.  The DPD would have shouted it from the rooftop.

Unless they couldn't do so, because Bentley had already told people he took the wallet from Oswald in the car.

So, unfortunately, that wasn't Oswald's wallet.

Pure speculation on your part, but pray tell, who did that wallet belong to? We know it wasn't Tippit's, because his widow has that one.

Here is a question.  Did Tippit have some type of citation book?  It seems entirely logical that the DPD would have examined Tippit's citations to see if perhap he recorded a name or license number of a potential suspect. 

I assume he probably had some sort of notebook, but what can be seen in the video is no notebook. And if it was, where did it go? There is no mention of a notebook anywhere. Marie Tippit got her husband's wallet back, but not a notebook. At least not that I am aware of. So, where did it go?

Whatever it is we can rule out it being Oswald's wallet.

No. That's what you want to rule out. If there is one thing we can actually rule out, it's your biased and dishonest opinion.

So many words.  Aren't you embarrassed to suggest that they covered up the discovery of Oswald's wallet at the Tippit scene because they could not anticipate that Oswald would have his wallet on him when arrested! HA HA HA.  That one is a keeper.   Shazam Gomer.  Those nutty conspirators couldn't anticipate that Oswald might have his own wallet on him when he was arrested! And what do they do when faced with this dilemma?  They suppress the wallet that implicates him in a murder instead of the one found on him during his arrest.  It can't get any better than that.  What a dunce.

[Martin Weidmann]

So many words.  Aren't you embarrassed to suggest that they covered up the discovery of Oswald's wallet at the Tippit scene because they could not anticipate that Oswald would have his wallet on him when arrested! HA HA HA.  That one is a keeper.   Shazam Gomer.  Those nutty conspirators couldn't anticipate that Oswald might have his own wallet on him when he was arrested! And what do they do when faced with this dilemma.  They suppress the wallet that implicates him in a murder instead of the one found on him during his arrest.  It can't get any better than that.  What dunce.

So many words. 

I know, it very quickly gets to a point where you can't absorb the information. Sorry about that.

Aren't you embarrassed to suggest that they covered up the discovery of Oswald's wallet at the Tippit scene because they could not anticipate that Oswald would have his wallet on him when arrested! HA HA HA.

I'm not saying that they covered up Oswald's wallet for whatever reason. I'm saying that it looks like they simply substituted the wallet Bentley took from Oswald with the one Westbrook had at the Tippit scene. That way they got the Hidell ID on the record and who cares about the rest. I'm sorry you didn't understand.

Those nutty conspirators couldn't anticipate that Oswald might have his own wallet on him when he was arrested! And what do they do when faced with this dilemma.  They suppress the wallet that implicates him in a murder instead of the one found on him during his arrest.  It can't get any better than that.  What dunce.

Yes, I thought that would go way over you comprehension level. They didn't suppress the wallet that implicated him. No plan is perfect. It looks like they used Westbrook's wallet instead of the one Bentley found, which had nothing of any significance in it.

The mere fact that all you've got is outright denial is telling enough. If you had anything of significance to say, you would have, but you don't do you. You can't even bring yourself to answering the easiest questions, like what happened to the Westbrook wallet? And why did Bentley not say he found the Hidell ID?

[Jerry Freeman]

It always struck me as odd that Oswald defenders so desperately want Oswald's wallet to be found at the Tippit murder scene. 

Never heard that before. Oswald accusers desperately seem to need to believe that all of a sudden one day...he turned into a homicidal maniac because the Dallas Police said so.

[Bill Brown]

On the other hand, FBI agent Barrett has always maintained that Captain Westbrook held a wallet, found at the Tippit scene by Officer Croy, and asked him (Barrett) if he had ever heard of Oswald or Hidell.

Croy didn't find a wallet.  In fact, he makes no mention of any wallet during his testimony in 1964.  It's only in the 90's when he is signing autographs and seeking his fifteen minutes of fame that he claims he found Oswald's wallet.

As for Barrett, by the time he made the claim to James Hosty in the 90's, he had zero credibility.  Barrett claimed he is the one who took control of Oswald's revolver at the theater and we know for a fact that is not true.  Barrett filed no contemporary report during assassination weekend ever mentioning a wallet or an on-the-scene discussion with Westbrook about the names Oswald and/or Hidell.

[Martin Weidmann]

Croy didn't find a wallet.  In fact, he makes no mention of any wallet during his testimony in 1964.  It's only in the 90's when he is signing autographs and seeking his fifteen minutes of fame that he claims he found Oswald's wallet.

As for Barrett, by the time he made the claim to James Hosty in the 90's, he had zero credibility.  Barrett claimed he is the one who took control of Oswald's revolver at the theater and we know for a fact that is not true.  Barrett filed no contemporary report during assassination weekend ever mentioning a wallet or an on-the-scene discussion with Westbrook about the names Oswald and/or Hidell.

Croy didn't find a wallet.  In fact, he makes no mention of any wallet during his testimony in 1964.  It's only in the 90's when he is signing autographs and seeking his fifteen minutes of fame that he claims he found Oswald's wallet.

Yeah sure... but by that logic Bentley didn't find a wallet on Oswald either, because he never filed a report to that effect, nor did he ever make a formal statement in testimony about that. And I can't find any record of Croy "seeking 15 minutes of fame" in the 90's.

Barrett filed no contemporary report during assassination weekend ever mentioning a wallet or an on-the-scene discussion with Westbrook about the names Oswald and/or Hidell.

Neither did Westbrook, yet we have him on video looking at a wallet at the scene. But, if in fact the wallet Bentley found on Oswald was switched for the wallet found at the scene (the one Barrett said contained the Hidell ID) then one would expect that there would be nothing officially said about the other wallet.

All we really know about the wallet Bentley took from Oswald, is what he said during a tv interview the next day, where he claimed he took a wallet from Oswald because he had refused to identify himself. When asked he said that he got Oswald's name from a Dallas Public Library card, and that he found usual items such as a drivers license and a credit card. Not a word about a double ID.

And we know that Detective Rose got handed a wallet at the police station by some unidentified patrolman.

Mr. BALL. And then you found two or three cards on him?
Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.
Mr. BALL. Did you search him?
Mr. ROSE. He had already been searched and someone had his billfold. I don't know whether it was the patrolman who brought him in that had it or not.
Mr. BALL. And the contents of the billfold supposedly were before you?
Mr. ROSE. Yes.

There was no way to tell where that wallet came from.

Two more remarkable things can be said about the wallet. First of all, in a Memorandum dated 11/29/63 Special Agent Griffith of the FBI writes that the Dallas Police failed to photograph the wallet and it's content prior to handing it over to the FBI and that they request such a photo be taken and send to them.

Secondly, and far more interesting, is the fact that there is a photograph in circulation, provided by the National Archive, showing a brown wallet and it's content. However, on 11/22/63, at 3:25 pm, officer Bardin handed in several items belonging to Oswald to the Identification Bureau. One of those items was a black billfold. Now, try and explain that!

[Louis Earl]

Virtually no one had a credit card in 1963 and certainly not Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

Virtually no one had a credit card in 1963 and certainly not Lee Harvey Oswald.

I agree, yet Bentley said he found one in a wallet he took from Oswald. Kinda strange, don't you think...

We've got a wallet, that allegedly never existed (if you believe the LNs), which contained the Hidell and Oswald ID's

and we've got a wallet, that allegedly was taken from Oswald, that contained a credit card but no Hidell ID (at least Bentley didn't mention it), which by itself is strange as he took the wallet from Oswald to find out his name. Had there been two different ID's in the wallet, don't you think that would have come up somehow in the conversation?

And then we have a brown billfold, allegedly belonging to Oswald, in the National Archives and a black billfound, allegedly belonging to Oswald, being handed in to the DPD identification bureau.... Go figure

[Louis Earl]

How do you lose your wallet?  Well there are several ways but all of those ways require that you take your wallet out of your pocket.  Why would you do that?  Various reasons, but ... maybe one reason is that you are stopped by police and they ask to see some ID?  And in taking out your wallet you drop it and either you don't notice or you're worried about other things and you just let it go.