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Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #216 on: February 02, 2021, 11:35:19 PM »
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The bag was also found. It had Oswald's prints on it.  No one in over 50 years who worked at the TSBD ever explained or claimed ownership of the bag the authorities claimed Oswald used to carry his rifle.  It is found just next to the SN.  Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.  It is absurd Alice-in-Wonderland logic to claim there is any doubt about the bag.  And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow whether in Oswald's bag or via sugar plum fairies.  It belongs to him.  There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.  No one else was seen carrying a rifle into the building.  And how could they gain access to Oswald's rifle?  It's laughable.



It must be clear that the changes between these two documents represent a corrupt processing of evidence. It is a deliberate attempt to deceive. Why are these curtain rods being tested for Oswald's prints? You must agree something really weird is going on here.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #217 on: February 02, 2021, 11:36:52 PM »
The bag was also found. It had Oswald's prints on it.  No one in over 50 years who worked at the TSBD ever explained or claimed ownership of the bag the authorities claimed Oswald used to carry his rifle.  It is found just next to the SN.  Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.  It is absurd Alice-in-Wonderland logic to claim there is any doubt about the bag.  And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow whether in Oswald's bag or via sugar plum fairies.  It belongs to him.  There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.  No one else was seen carrying a rifle into the building.  And how could they gain access to Oswald's rifle?  It's laughable.

The bag was also found. It had Oswald's prints on it.

No, a bag was found. It may have had two prints belonging to Oswald on it, but it was a bag, made from TSBD materials, and found at the TSBD, where he happened to work. He could have touched that bag at any given time. Without proof that this was the bag Oswald carried and that it contained a broken down MC rifle when he carried it, the bag by itself is just an insignificant bag found at a warehouse.

No one in over 50 years who worked at the TSBD ever explained or claimed ownership of the bag the authorities claimed Oswald used to carry his rifle.

Meaningless...

It is found just next to the SN.

So they tell us, but there is no in situ photograph and there are just as many DPD officers who said they saw it as those who said they didn't. But the saddest part is that they can't even agree on who actually found it.

And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow whether in Oswald's bag or via sugar plum fairies.  It belongs to him.  There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.

Bla bla bla... Total BS which assumes that it was indeed Oswald's rifle. The problem is that Marina was shown the rifle on Friday evening and she denied it was Oswald's rifle. You're way into circular logic crap again, "Richard".

You have no evidence that on 11/21/63 there was a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage or that it was the MC rifle found at the TSBD, but since the MC rifle was found at the TSBD you assume that it must have been stored at Ruth Paine's garage and Oswald must have carried it to the TSBD. Now what was the evidence for that again? Oh yeah, that's right, an MC rifle, which can only tentatively linked to Oswald was found at the TSBD. Everything else you're just making up as you go along.

No one else was seen carrying a rifle into the building. 

Another pathetic argument. Oswald also wasn't seen carrying a rifle into the building.

And how could they gain access to Oswald's rifle?  It's laughable.

And here we go again; starting with the pre-determined conclusion that it was "Oswald's rifle". How shallow can you be?

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2021, 01:24:17 AM »
The bag was also found. It had Oswald's prints on it.  No one in over 50 years who worked at the TSBD ever explained or claimed ownership of the bag the authorities claimed Oswald used to carry his rifle.  It is found just next to the SN.  Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.  It is absurd Alice-in-Wonderland logic to claim there is any doubt about the bag.  And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow whether in Oswald's bag or via sugar plum fairies.  It belongs to him.  There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.  No one else was seen carrying a rifle into the building.  And how could they gain access to Oswald's rifle?  It's laughable.

Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.  It is absurd Alice-in-Wonderland logic to claim there is any doubt about the bag.  And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!

Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.

Once again you display your stupidity Mr "Smith"...    You assume that Lee had something to hide by denying that he carried a long package.   You suggest that Lee claimed that he didn't have curtain rods in the sack but he should have told the police that he did have a long package and that would have enabled the police to confirm that he did in fact carry a long package. That idea suggests that the package was at least long enough to hold the 35 inch rifle but it ignores the FACT that both Linnie Mae Randle and her brother, Buell Frazier,  swore that the FLIMSY paper sack that they saw was not any longer than 28 inches. AND  IT WAS TOO SHORT TO HAVE HELD THE CARCANO. 

There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.

Do you have an explanation for the rifle being found so far away from the stairs that Lee Oswald couldn't possibly have deposited it there if he had dashed by there after the shooting.....   The rifle was 15feet 4 inches from the North wall and Four feet down beneath stacked boxes of books.   A man would have had to have been about 8 feet tall to have deposited the rifle in the place where it was found. 

P.S.   Roger Craig was 6'  and he said that he could not have placed the rifle on the floor at the place where it was found.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2021, 06:14:29 PM »
The bag was also found. It had Oswald's prints on it.  No one in over 50 years who worked at the TSBD ever explained or claimed ownership of the bag the authorities claimed Oswald used to carry his rifle.  It is found just next to the SN.  Oswald himself denied carrying curtain rods or any bag along the size estimated by Frazier.  He said it was his lunch.  So these kooks are claiming that he lied against his own interest.  It is absurd Alice-in-Wonderland logic to claim there is any doubt about the bag.  And EVEN if they thought there was any doubt about whether Oswald used his bag to carry the rifle, his rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow whether in Oswald's bag or via sugar plum fairies.  It belongs to him.  There is no other explanation for how Oswald's rifle ends up on the 6th floor.  No one else was seen carrying a rifle into the building.  And how could they gain access to Oswald's rifle?  It's laughable.

 A rifle is in the TSBD!  It got there somehow .....   Yes, It sure did, And Lee told Captain Fritz that he had seen the rifle the day before yesterday ( Wednesday, 11/20 /63 ) and Mr Truly had the rifle, and was showing it to some fellow employees. 

Here's the way FBI agent Hosty recorded Lee Oswald's response to Captain Fritz's question  "Have you ever seen this rifle before?"  Lee replied ,  "Yes, I saw this rifle the day before yesterday, Mr Tuly had it and he was showing it to some of the fellows outside his office, which is on the first floor of the building."

Hosty scribbled an abbreviated version of Lee's reply....

Day before yesterday Mr Truly had rifle and two others 1st floor outside office



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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #220 on: February 03, 2021, 09:10:34 PM »
I know Fritz interrogated (and threatened) Buell.
What makes you think I don't know that.


Oswald shot Tippit and probably shot Kennedy.

Frazier wasn't paying attention to the bag. In the genpop view, he was the guy who drove the killer to the scene. Frazier didn't want to be known as the killer's chauffeur for the rest of his life.

The other Frazier threatened him physically, while the notorious vulture Henry Wade hovered overhead: Why help the cops throw you to the wolves, mulled Lillie Mae..

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #221 on: February 03, 2021, 09:13:01 PM »
HUH??    I can't understand you?....  Would you please explain WHY Lee would want to hide the paper sack from Buell Frazier's view?

Not only that, but how does he see where he's going with a package in front of his face?  Not to mention how the end of the package still ends up in his armpit.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #222 on: February 03, 2021, 09:14:36 PM »
Just more contrarian rabbit hole nonsense.  There is zero doubt that Oswald is carrying a long package because he gets out of the car with it and walks toward the building.

Who said anything about a "long package"?

No matter how you try to spin it, the fact remains that nobody saw Oswald carry a package into the TSBD.

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Re: Then went inside with the curtain rods
« Reply #223 on: February 03, 2021, 09:21:57 PM »
Oswald's rifle is also found on that floor

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with the same serial number as the one sent to his PO box by Klein's,

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he knocks off early for a movie, decides to get his pistol

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, is the only person on planet Earth to be in the TSBD and pass the scene of the Tippit murder, and he looks so much like the Tippit shooter that multiple witnesses identify him,

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and he decides to sneak into a movie instead of buying a ticke,

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and instead of waiting to see what the police want he decides to punch them

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and then he has the same two brands of ammo

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as used at the Tippit scene.

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  Not a shred of evidence!  You should be ashamed.  You lose are credibility when you make outrageous claims like that.

He's not the one making outrageous claims.

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