Then went inside with the curtain rods

[Alan Ford]

Huh. Why would any curtain rods in the Paine garage been recorded at that point?  If they were noticed in the garage AFTER the assassination obviously they were in not in the bag taken by Oswald to the TSBD.

And that fact would most certainly have been recorded, given how crucial it would have been to the case being mounted against Mr Oswald.

It's not however recorded, or the matter even brought up, in any of the official documents.

This form, which I'm reposting as I know how much seeing it upsets you, explains why--------------



 

[Dan O'meara]

No--------two rods were tested for prints the day after two rods were released to Agent Howlett.

Now, Mr O'Meara! You have claimed that the straightforward solution to this document-----------



------------is that the submission date is simply an error.

OK. What do you think the correct submission date might have been?

The rods were picked up on the 23rd
Given to Day on the 24th
Tested on the 25th
Released on the 26th

[Dan O'meara]

On November 22 and 23, 1963, the Paine garage was, as one would expect, very thoroughly searched.............



As one would most certainly NOT expect, given the centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case, not a single report anywhere mentions anything about curtain rods in that garage. The idea that no one thought of checking to see whether curtain rods were there is obviously quite ludicrous.

If Mr Oswald had brought no curtain rods to the Depository the morning of the assassination, the following would have happened:

ALL curtain rods in the garage before the assassination would have still been in the garage and would have been immediately found and recorded as having been found in the garage. Ms Paine would have been put on the record immediately as confirming that no curtain rods were missing. The world would have been told all about this crucial development in the Oswald-Did-It case.

Yet somehow none of this happened. Instead we get complete radio silence about curtain rods in the garage until March '64, when two curtain rods are extracted from the Paine garage----------EIGHT DAYS AFTER two curtain rods were submitted to the Crime Scene Search Section for testing for Mr Oswald's prints.

Go figure!

 

The centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case?

I doubt there was one law enforcement official involved in the investigation who thought for a nanosecond Oswald brought curtain rods with him.
As far as they were concerned they had the murder weapon tied to an ID Oswald was carrying.
Oswald himself denied carrying the curtain rods.
And if that wasn't enough, word had come down from on high that Oswald did it. End of story.

There was no "centrality of the curtain rods".
No-one gave a s"%t about curtain rods.
I doubt it crossed anyone's mind at any point.

It was only after the investigation, when difficult questions were being asked about how shoddy and incompetent the investigation was, that the rods became an issue.

[Alan Ford]

The rods were picked up on the 23rd
Given to Day on the 24th
Tested on the 25th
Released on the 26th

So, your 'solution' is that
-------------on March 24 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 15
-------------on March 26 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 24
-------------on March 25, when Lt Day was testing the rods and making fingerprint cards, he laid off the marijuana and so put the correct date down
-------------on March 24 and March 26, Agent Howlett was as high as Lt Day and so happily signed off on the notion that March 24 was March 15, and March 26 was March 24
-------------Lt Day later noticed and corrected his release date error (though noting that he had gotten the time notation correct), but somehow failed to notice (on the same form!) the error with the submission date

The prime question arising from all this is: What have you been smoking, Mr O'Meara?

[Alan Ford]

The centrality of curtain rods to the Oswald case?

I doubt there was one law enforcement official involved in the investigation who thought for a nanosecond Oswald brought curtain rods with him.

Good grief, talk about missing the point!

The Oswald-Did-It 'investigators' had a very simple way of proving to the world that Mr Oswald had lied to Mr Frazier: ask Ms Paine about curtain rods........ take a look in her garage............ write up the damning result in an official report

None of this happened

 

[Dan O'meara]

So, your 'solution' is that
-------------on March 24 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 15
-------------on March 26 Lt Day, even as he made a precise time notation, thought the date was March 24
-------------on March 25, when Lt Day was testing the rods and making fingerprint cards, he laid off the marijuana and so put the correct date down
-------------on March 24 and March 26, Agent Howlett was as high as Lt Day and so happily signed off on the notion that March 24 was March 15, and March 26 was March 24
-------------Lt Day later noticed and corrected his release date error (though noting that he had gotten the time notation correct), but somehow failed to notice (on the same form!) the error with the submission date

The prime question arising from all this is: What have you been smoking, Mr O'Meara?

What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

[Dan O'meara]

Good grief, talk about missing the point!

The Oswald-Did-It 'investigators' had a very simple way of proving to the world that Mr Oswald had lied to Mr Frazier: ask Ms Paine about curtain rods........ take a look in her garage............ write up the damning result in an official report

None of this happened

 

Come on Alan.

Oswald denied taking the rods.
You think it was high on the investigator's priority list to show Oswald lied to Frazier?
You think they didn't have enough on Oswald already?
It's safe to say it didn't cross anybody's mind that ​the curtain rod story was true.
You think the investigator's wasted one second trying to prove an alibi for Oswald that he denied himself?
All energy was focussed on building a case against Oswald.

[Martin Weidmann]

What have I been smoking?

Look at your little scenario again Alan.
You've got Day testing the rods for fingerprints the Day after he released them to Howlett.
Howlett has taken the rods away and then Day tests them.

Snap out of it man.

Your notion that an elaborate hoax involving the Secret Service, the senior counsel of the WC and Mrs Paine took place to show why the rods were marked 275 and 276  is "on the edge", to say the least.
You still haven't explained why they felt the need to justify doing this just because, as you would have it, some random person wrote
some random numbers on the curtain rods (this, of course, is not the case, the curtain rods were marked for identification at Ruth Paine's house)
Why did they have to have the Ruth Paine Exhibit numbers for the rods the same as the numbers scrawled on the "TSBD rods" (lol)?

The rods are collected on the 23rd from Ruth Paine's house and marked 275 and 276
The fingerprint card shows they were tested on the 25th (you don't find it strange at all that in your scenario Day waits for 10 days before testing the rods. Are you saying that one minute the rods are important the next minute their not.?
The bottom copy of the document, the part in the official record, records a release date of 26th.

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

Ignore submission date:

Rods taken into evidence - 23rd
Tested for prints - 25th
Released- 26th

Let's assume for a second this is true. How do you explain that Howlett and Day both signed for the release on the 24th?

And why didn't Howlett sign for the release on the 26th?