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[Charles Collins]

Very well...But..... 1st they needed a name to provide a first step.....And Warren de Bruey's furnished the name AJ Hidell....

WHERE did De Bruey's come up with that name?

I don’t agree with the logic of the quote from Hosty’s book that: “...DeBruey's deduction of Lee's alias of A.J. Hidell   made a trace of the rifle hat killed the president possible" They had the serial number of the rifle (from the rifle itself) and they needed to find out who Kleins Sporting Goods sold it to. Searching Kleins’ records for that serial number wasn’t impossible without the name “Hidell”. Also, DPD and the FBI already had the name Hidell from the identification card in LHO’s wallet. So, how do you figure that Hosty thinks that deBrueys’ deduction “made the trace possible”?

And as far as how deBrueys came up with the name, LHO used that name on some of his literature in New Orleans, he was arrested in New Orleans and possibly had the Hidell identification card on him at that time. (A look at the arrest records and the FBI files might indicate if the authorities took note of this alias at that time.) Regardless, I don’t understand why Hosty thought it was the key to the search at Kleins Sporting Goods.

[Richard Smith]

Yes.....  And since we know that Hoover suspected the Oswald's were soviet spies it's understandable that he would have had them under surveillance .... and watching their mail would have been at the top.    You may recall that Hoover ( not in person)  was opening and reading the mail going to the soviet embassy.

Can you direct us to this admission?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I don’t agree with the logic of the quote from Hosty’s book that: “...DeBruey's deduction of Lee's alias of A.J. Hidell   made a trace of the rifle hat killed the president possible" They had the serial number of the rifle (from the rifle itself) and they needed to find out who Kleins Sporting Goods sold it to. Searching Kleins’ records for that serial number wasn’t impossible without the name “Hidell”. Also, DPD and the FBI already had the name Hidell from the identification card in LHO’s wallet. So, how do you figure that Hosty thinks that deBrueys’ deduction “made the trace possible”?

And as far as how deBrueys came up with the name, LHO used that name on some of his literature in New Orleans, he was arrested in New Orleans and possibly had the Hidell identification card on him at that time. (A look at the arrest records and the FBI files might indicate if the authorities took note of this alias at that time.) Regardless, I don’t understand why Hosty thought it was the key to the search at Kleins Sporting Goods.

Charles: The New Orleans police detective who interviewed Oswald after his arrest said Oswald had these documents on him:

1. Social Security Card bearing #433-54-3937 in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
"2. Selective Service draft card in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD bearing #41-114-395-32, classification---4A. (I do not know what draft board was registered with.)
"3. Card bearing name LEE HARVEY OSWALD reflecting he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee; address listed as 799 Broadway, New York 3, New York; telephone #ORegon 4-8295, headquarters for Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Card was signed by V. T. LEE, Executive Secretary; card issued 5/28/63.
"4. Card for the New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD signed by A. J. HIDELL, Chapter President, issued June 6, 1963.

Interesting that Oswald had a Selective Service card in his name. The # on it was different than the Selective Service card with the Hidell name on it.

Link here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/martell1.htm

[Charles Collins]

Charles: The New Orleans police detective who interviewed Oswald after his arrest said Oswald had these documents on him:

1. Social Security Card bearing #433-54-3937 in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD.
"2. Selective Service draft card in the name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD bearing #41-114-395-32, classification---4A. (I do not know what draft board was registered with.)
"3. Card bearing name LEE HARVEY OSWALD reflecting he was a member of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee; address listed as 799 Broadway, New York 3, New York; telephone #ORegon 4-8295, headquarters for Fair Play for Cuba Committee. Card was signed by V. T. LEE, Executive Secretary; card issued 5/28/63.
"4. Card for the New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee in name of LEE HARVEY OSWALD signed by A. J. HIDELL, Chapter President, issued June 6, 1963.

Interesting that Oswald had a Selective Service card in his name. The # on it was different than the Selective Service card with the Hidell name on it.

Link here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/martell1.htm

Thanks Steve, that explains a lot. That he apparently didn’t have the Hidell identification card with him is a possible indicator that he intentionally wanted to get arrested that day. And it seems to me that the name Hidell on the New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee would have been of interest to the detective and the FBI. They might have even tried to find out more about “him”. And deBrueys might have remembered that name due to that hypothetical scenario.

[Walt Cakebread]

Thanks Steve, that explains a lot. That he apparently didn’t have the Hidell identification card with him is a possible indicator that he intentionally wanted to get arrested that day. And it seems to me that the name Hidell on the New Orleans Chapter of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee would have been of interest to the detective and the FBI. They might have even tried to find out more about “him”. And deBrueys might have remembered that name due to that hypothetical scenario.

 a possible indicator that he intentionally wanted to get arrested that day.

I don't believe that Lee intended to get arrested, but he definitely wanted publicity...  He wanted the news media to cover his pro Castro activities... He knew that Castros spies would be watching and and take note of his activities.   And that's was his primary motive for staging the " fight" with the anti Castro Cuban exiles .

[Charles Collins]

a possible indicator that he intentionally wanted to get arrested that day.

I don't believe that Lee intended to get arrested, but he definitely wanted publicity...  He wanted the news media to cover his pro Castro activities... He knew that Castros spies would be watching and and take note of his activities.   And that's was his primary motive for staging the " fight" with the anti Castro Cuban exiles .

You may be right, it is a stretch to assume that he intended to get arrested. But the absence of the Hidell Identification card might indicate that he believed that there was a good chance that he might be arrested.

[Walt Cakebread]

You may be right, it is a stretch to assume that he intended to get arrested. But the absence of the Hidell Identification card might indicate that he believed that there was a good chance that he might be arrested.

After Lee was arrested and in the N.O. calaboose, he requested that the FBI be contacted, because he wanted to talk to FBI agent Warren DeBruey's.   Now what kinda commie would want to talk to the FBI???

[John Iacoletti]

Thanks Steve, that explains a lot. That he apparently didn’t have the Hidell identification card with him is a possible indicator that he intentionally wanted to get arrested that day.

It's also a possible indicator that no such card existed at the time.  After all, why would he want to have such a card on him on the day of the assassination either?