Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

        Gee, why am I Not Surprised that NOBODY addresses: (1) Mandated Oswald "jack-in-the-box" sniper maneuvers, (2) Altering the Limo location on Elm, or (3) Elapsed time for the 3 shots being DOUBLED to 12 Seconds, to slip this "signal strike" theory within the boundaries of Ball Park Plausible?

(1)

Here are the timings for Oswald's shot-1 & shot-2 & for a faux shot-3.
87 ft is the horizontal dist scaled by me, 106 ft is the hypotenuse dist allowing for vertical dist estimated by me.

Oswald Shot ----------- hit at ------ fired at  ------ sound hit JFK at – Carcano = 2170 ft per sec.
1 --- 87 ft = 106 ft ----- Z113 ------ Z112.1 ---------- Z113.9 ----- camera runs at 18.3 frames per sec.
2 --- 184 ft = 197 ft---- Z218 ------- Z216.3 --------- Z219.6
3 --- 255 ft = 266 ft ---- Z313 -------- Z310.8 --------- Z315.2 -------- Oswald did not have a shot-3.
The time tween shot-1 & shot-2 is 104.2 frames, which is 5.7 sec. Holland reckoned that shot-1 was at Z106, which is an extra 7 frames, or 0.4 sec, which makes it 6.1 sec.
The time tween shot-2 & faux shot-3 is 94.5 frames, which is 5.2 sec.
Adding to 10.9 sec.

Here are the timings for Hickey's auto burst, based on there being 6 shots.
Hickey Shot ------------- hit at ------ fired at  ------ sound hit JFK at -------
6 ---- 26 ft---------------- Z313 -------- Z312.8 ---------- Z313.2 --- hit JFK in head & cracked windshield.
5 ---- AR15 = 3250 ft per sec------------ Z310.0 ---------- hit chrome trim on windshield.
4 ---- sound = 1100 ft per sec ----------- Z307.25 -------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
3 ---- probly 400 rpm= 6.67 rps --------- Z304.5 ---------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
2 ------------------------------------------- Z301.8 ----------- went over the windshield, hit Elm St.
1 ------------------------------------------- Z299.0 ---- probly hit Main St pavement & then kerb near Tague.

My calculation of Oswald's angles based on above is .....
shot-1 at Z113 is -34.8 deg. If at Holland's Z106 it is still -34.6 deg koz either way it is at the signals.
shot-2 at Z218 is -21.0 deg.
shot-3 at Z312 is -16.6 deg.
So, how is 34.8  deg to 21.0 deg a jack in the box?

(2) What limo re-location?
(3) What shot timings?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

........................................From the other thread.....................................https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3832.16.html

Stop the above youtube at 0:54.
Yes, the problem of the AR15 is like the SBT. But, the SBT works (ie re line & angle), & the AR15 theory works (ie re line & angle).
U correctly mention that we dont know whether the jfklimo was completely inside the center lane. But this is not critical. If the jfklimo was half in the fast lane then this would only make a say 40 inch difference to the alignment of the limo center line where it meets Tague, ie the center line moves 40 inches to the left, ie a 40 inch offset, but is still parallel, ie the angle to Elm St duznt change in the 2 scenarios, ie if Queen Mary too was half in the fast lane.

Notice that in the above frame the jfklimo is say 20% in the fast lane. I forget where i got that frame. Its from one of the members here. But i painted the stars etc. It shows jfk sitting well right, but at Z312 jfk's head was lower & very near the center line of the limo (ie where the lowest star is drawn)(that star is supposed to show the inshoot)(the hollow star shows the position of the crack damage).

What duznt work is the theory that Oswald fired the headshot, ie from the sniper's nest. The angles are wrong (Donahue in Mortal Error).
And a Carcano FMJ duznt explode (Donahue in Mortal Error)(however soft point Carcano's were available)(& Oswald could have made his own Carcano hollow-point i suppose).

I cant remember whether the horizontal line & angle problem for the AR15 has been dealt with in much detail on this forum.
The vertical line & angle problem has been dealt with in this present thread & in a Bronson footage thread that i started a couple of years ago. https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2836.32.html

Donahue dealt with the vertical line & angle problem for the AR15 in Mortal Error. Not so much the horizontal line & angle problem i think.

Daniel R Roffe wrote a book......... JFK Motorcade: The Accidental Shooting Death of President John F Kennedy.
This deals mainly with the horizontal & vertical line & angle problem i think.
I could not find a used copy for sale on the internet, but would cost about $200.
And i could not find any info or drawings from the book.

As detailed in this thread, some or all of the AR15 shots had to pass throo the gap between the upturned vizors on Queen Mary.
And one or two might have had to pass throo the gap between the upturned vizors in the jfklimo.
All of the shots had to pass over the windshield of Queen Mary.
And the 2nd last shot which dented the chrome trim above the mirror in the jfklimo had to pass under the divider/roll-bar of the jfklimo. In the above frame the divider/roll-bar has been left out (because the frame originally  dealt with the SBT i suppose, it did not deal with the AR15).

And the remnant slug from the last shot, the head shot, had to veer 6 deg inside the head, & then crack the windshield.
6 deg is a big ask for a hollow point.
But it works, it has to work.
It was rotten luck, he was just doing his job.

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[Royell Storing]

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             You show SA Hickey having the AR-15 in the crook of his arm. The AR-15 was laying on the FLOORBOARD of the JFK Limo. He would have had to bend over from his elevated seated position and awkwardly lift the rifle upward. The rifle would therefore NOT be at anything close to a level position. Your visual aid is nowhere close to accurate.

[Royell Storing]

(1) My calculation of Oswald's angles based on above is .....
shot-1 at Z113 is -34.8 deg. If at Holland's Z106 it is still -34.6 deg koz either way it is at the signals.
shot-2 at Z218 is -21.0 deg.
shot-3 at Z312 is -16.6 deg.
So, how is 34.8  deg to 21.0 deg a jack in the box?

(2) What limo re-location?
(3) What shot timings?

    Your're being completely unaware of (2) & (3) tells me all I need to know. You need to put down the calculator and actually understand ALL of the claims being made with regard to the signal strike.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

    Your're being completely unaware of (2) & (3) tells me all I need to know. You need to put down the calculator and actually understand ALL of the claims being made with regard to the signal strike.

I reckon that i know more than u about Holland's stuff.
So give me a clue re your claim that Holland stuffed up re pozzy of limo & timings of shots.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

38:40.......... They say that their 3D of Dealey Plaza 100% rules out that Hickey might have fired the headshot.
40:30……. John Orr too mentions Hickey probably being too low.
http://www.mountainrivercabins.com/JohnOrrReport.pdf

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[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

             You show SA Hickey having the AR-15 in the crook of his arm. The AR-15 was laying on the FLOORBOARD of the JFK Limo. He would have had to bend over from his elevated seated position and awkwardly lift the rifle upward. The rifle would therefore NOT be at anything close to a level position. Your visual aid is nowhere close to accurate.

Yes, that cartoon should show Hickey picking the AR15 up from the floor.
Other segments of that same cartoon do show him picking the AR15 up from the floor.
In any case, when Hickey picks up the AR15 he then has to raize it up & swing it around over the top of O'Donnell's head, which that cartoon duz fairly well.
Whether the AR15 was held in one hand or in both hands might not be important.
Whether the AR15 was under the armpit might not be important, but holding it under his armpit requires that Hickey stood fully up during the shots.
Holding the AR15 out in front of his chest, ie a little higher than if it were under his armpit, duznt require that Hickey stood fully up.
Anyhow its an amazingly good cartoon.
My  own theory is that Hickey fired an autoburst of at least 4 shots, hence that cartoon should have the first shot at say Z300, not Z312.

[Royell Storing]

I reckon that i know more than u about Holland's stuff.
So give me a clue re your claim that Holland stuffed up re pozzy of limo & timings of shots.

   You claim, "I know more than u.....". OK. This is Not the way to sustain a conversation.