Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?

[Richard Smith]

It goes without saying, but because you are filling up this forum with this nonsense, and they were running this theory on some cable channel, it is worth noting that the theory that Hickey accidentally fired the shot that killed JFK is completely insane, baseless, and defamatory.  Which is why the author of Mortal Error was sued by Hickey and forced to settle.  Shameful.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

It goes without saying, but because you are filling up this forum with this nonsense, and they were running this theory on some cable channel, it is worth noting that the theory that Hickey accidentally fired the shot that killed JFK is completely insane, baseless, and defamatory.  Which is why the author of Mortal Error was sued by Hickey and forced to settle.  Shameful.

Show me where any of what i have ever posted re Hickey is wrong.
Show me any hard evidence that shows that Hickey could not have done the dirty deed -- one strike & Hickey is out.
Waiting.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Holland said machine gun, in 1963 & in 1967.
The AR15 duznt look like a tommy-gun.
A tommy-gun (almost always) had a circular magazine, & is much shorter.
And, the AR15 (& the later M16) had not been available to the public in 1963, & the public would not have been very aware of them in 1963.
Praps the public might have been aware of the predecessor, the AR10, in 1963.
Was Holland a gun-nut? Did he subscribe to gun-nut monthly?

Newman too said that Hickey had a machine gun (or a rifle).

Now, i believe that the SS usually had a tommy-gun in Queen Mary, but that the tommy-gun had been replaced for the first time by that AR15 on that day.
And the AR15 was removed & replaced by the good old tommy-gun after that day.
And during the Reagan attempted assassination we see one SSA holding that good old tommy-gun, not holding an AR15.
And, there was a shot-gun in a compartment under the back of the front seat of Queen Mary, which is never talked about, & which was not taken out on that day.

So, why would Holland (& Newman) say a machine gun?
Was it koz they heard an autoburst?  A flurry of shots?
They did not ever mention a flurry of shots -- but praps their brains knew, sub-consciously.

We can add Bill Newman to the list of witnesses who mentioned Hickey holding his AR15 before Z313 (the headshot).
This is a first for any forum – Bill has never been mentioned as an AR15 witness, until today.

https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/4645/bill-and-gayle-newman-oral-history?ctx=0c14edb6454afadd18c00ec3ac9d147091716531&idx=1

[18:20][Bill Newman]
………. Well i want to tell u a little trivia if i may…. i recall seeing people with what i want to call a Thompson sub machine gun…. or some type of a rifle about so long [shows about 3ft]…. & it  seemed like it came from the car that was following…. it seemed like they reached behind like the cab of the ? convertible…. u know, they reached into there & came out with a weapon & ran up the grassy knoll…. U FEEL U SAW THIS?.... yes…. but nowhere has this been proved that i'm aware of…. but i had.. i told this to people…. & its been said that the secret service didn’t leave the car…. so maybe it was some other branch of law enforcement…. but i recall what i think…. was about 30yrs ago…. but i recall seeing someone run up the u know with firearms & not a pistol…. something other than a pistol…………….
Bill then mentions the JFK limo slowing… & then mentions a SSA climbing aboard the JFK limo…. & the JFK limo accelerating away.

Bill Newman has clearly erred re a SSA or two running up to the grassy knoll with a machine gun.
But the main thing arising from his wordage is that at least one SSA in Queen Mary picked up a machine gun or similar.
And, clearly, he infers that this picking up of a machine gun happened early on in the saga.  This makes sense. Early on, Bill would be able to see the JFK limo & Queen Mary both approaching – whereas at about Z313 Bill would be looking at JFK, hence Queen Mary (the followup car) & Hickey would be out of his view (ie too far left) -- & after Z313 the JFK limo accelerates ahead leaving Queen Mary momentarily a long long way behind (the Bell film shows Queen Mary  3 lengths behind ie 62ft behind at Z419 which is 5.8 seconds after Z313), so, once again, Bill would not notice Hickey for the first few seconds after Z313 while Bill was focused on JFK, koz Queen Mary is being left well behind.

Bill says that nowhere has this been proved.
Here he probably means that there has been no official mention of a machine gun or machine guns on the grassy knoll.
However, we all know that the existence of or the picking up of an AR15 (or machine gun)(or rifle) by Hickey (or others) was mentioned by a number of witnesses in a number of official sources in November 1963 & in later years.

And we all know that Hickey picked up his AR15 before Z313 koz we all know that SSA Bennett said that after Oswald's shot (this would be Oswald's shot-2 at Z218) Bennett grabbed for the AR15 on the floor & it was not there. 
Anyhow, now we have Bill Newman confirming Bennett's statement re the timing of Hickey picking up his AR15 before Z313 (apart from all of the other such confirmations by others).

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[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Agent Youngblood saw a grayish blur in the air above JFK's limo.
"We had straightened on Elm now and were beginning to move easily down the incline in the wake of the cars ahead. Suddenly there was an explosive noise--distinct, sharp, resounding. Nothing that could be mistaken for the incessant popping and backfiring of the motorcycles, but in the instant I heard it I could not be certain if it had been a firecracker, bullet, bomb or some other explosive. I looked around quickly but saw nothing to indicate its source. But the movements in the President's car were not normal. Kennedy seemed to be falling to his left and there was sudden movement among the agents in the car directly ahead of us. I turned instinctively in my seat and with my left hand I grasped Lyndon Johnson's right shoulder and with all the leverage I could exert from a sitting position I forced him downward. "Get down!" I shouted. "Get down!" The vice-president reacted immediately. Still not seeing the source of the explosion, I swung across the back seat and sat on top of him. There were two more explosions in rapid succession, only seconds after the first. From my crouched position I saw a grayish blur in the air above the right side of the President's car. George Hickey, standing in the follow-up car just ahead of us, was poised with the AR-15 rifle, swinging back toward the building we had just passed. People along the sides of the street were scattering in panic."

I reckon that Hickey never swung his AR15 towards the TSBD. Earlier he had swung around & looked in that direction, he then picked up the AR15 & stood up to swing around, at which time Queen Mary braked & Hickey stumbled forward onto Donnelly, & he accidentally squeezed the trigger firing an auto burst, & after releasing the trigger he fell back to his original half sitting half standing pozzy in the back seat, &, shocked, he lost interest in any snipers for a few seconds, & by then Queen Mary was accelerating out of Dealey Plaza.

Young Rosemary Willis saw the smoke & the fragments meet in the air.
https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipPoMuaSnDAzApynTFe8JHHAORuPj6MAsjBu5M7j

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/uzLZuje-8XnbHTzbmFyrltrR9dCGQ7_WnmBTqqmaLDQNebCQYqqV3F8sY-GCiQ-1U27N1FA_EBzyA_fJdxiDa19aLVv7JANDobMUXf2MfW3PjcS4bGMEfxiBkrUV3ANrFw=w1280

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[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

My post below was off-topic in another thread. I posted this copy on this Hickey thread where it is on-topic.
When analyzing the Z photos below remember that the jfklimo & Queen Mary were about 20ft long, & the gap was about 5ft or 6ft, & the speeds were probly less than 1 foot/sec (ie approx 1 Z-frame/sec.

You again prove that you don't know what you're talking about. Brehm didn't speculate that JFK and Connally were hit by the same non-fatal bullet until over 20 years after the shooting (in the 1980s). He said nothing about this in his 11/22/63 Dallas Times Herald interview or in his 11/24/63 FBI interview. Not one word.

Brehm never said there were only two shots.

So here you guys are carrying on and on about the SBT and ignoring the fact that the Knott Laboratory 3D laser analysis has proved that the SBT is impossible.

This is so typical of what you guys do here. You simply ignore facts that refute your version of the shooting, and you post reply after reply as if those facts don't exist.

Anyway, back to Brehm: It is quite curious to see anti-conspiracy proponents citing Charles Brehm, because even his later, altered story refutes any non-conspiracy version of the shooting.

For starters, before Brehm knew what he was supposed to say about the origin of the shots, he told a Dallas Times Herald reporter shortly after the shooting that the shots came from in front or from the side of JFK ("the shots came from in front of or beside the President").

Then, two days later, two FBI agents got ahold of Brehm and claimed that he told them, in their unrecorded interview, that the shots came from one of the two buildings at Elm and Houston, that the first shot wounded JFK, that the second shot was the headshot, and that there was a shot after the headshot.

When Brehm gave a recorded interview in 1988, he declared that all the shots positively came from the TSBD and from nowhere else, and he speculated that JFK and Connally were hit by the same non-fatal bullet, but he still insisted that the second shot was the headshot and that there was a shot after the headshot. He added an important detail about the third shot that he heard: he said the shot flew over him and was close enough that he heard it fly over him, that it had a different sound than the two other shots, and that it "didn't hit anybody":

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The third shot really frightened me! It had a completely different sound to it because it had really passed me, as anybody knows who has been down under targets in the Army or been shot at like I had been many times. You know when a bullet passes over you, the cracking sound it makes, and that bullet had an absolute crack to it. I do believe that that shot was wild. It didn’t hit anybody.
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It is very important that the third shot that Brehm heard passed so closely above him that he heard it go over him. As Brehm said, anyone who has had bullets pass near them knows that sound. I had the same experience during Army live-fire exercises when they would have us low-crawl on the ground and fire bullets a few feet above our heads so we would know what it sounded like to have bullets pass near us. You only hear that sound when a bullet passes near you, whether it's beside you or above you.

The fact that Brehm heard a bullet fly closely above him poses at least two fatal problems for any non-conspiracy version of the shooting.

One, the missed shot that Brehm heard fly nearby over his head could not even remotely have had any chance of hitting the curb near James Tague. Brehm was standing about 10-12 feet to the right of Jean Hill and Mary Moorman and nearly directly in front of the Babushka Lady. If you draw a line from the sixth-floor window through/near Brehm and to the south side of Main Street, you end up at a point on Main Street that is at least 40 feet from the Tague curb strike.

Two, it boggles the mind to imagine how the same sixth-floor gunman who had just hit JFK's head could have so wildly missed not only JFK but the entire huge limousine with his next shot. This miss would have been at least 12 feet to the left of the limousine and several feet above it. To miss the large limo so badly, the limo, not to mention JFK's upper body, would not even have been in the gunman's field of view through the scope (or through the iron sights). 

Obviously, it is far more likely, and far more logical, that this miss came from a point behind Brehm, which would explain why his first statement about the shots was that they came from the front or side of JFK, which would have placed the gunman at a point behind Brehm.

A bit off topic. But the above raises a few issues that i have neve bothered to address until now.
Brehm mentions a cracking sound.
Also, others (Powers & Landis etc) mention the sound of a bullet hitting JFK in the head (like a melon exploding).
Hickey fired an autoburst of say 4 shots, from say Z304.3 to say Z312.5.
At Z304.5 the muzzle of Hickey's AR15 would have been opposite Brehm. Hickey standing in Queen Mary would have been in approx the same pozzy at the jfklimo was when the limo was at Z279.
Brehm would have heard the direct sounds of the muzzle blasts of the autoburst. Plus he would have heard the echoes from around the plaza.
I doubt that Brehm would have heard the supersonic cracks (4 ovem).
I doubt that anyone would have heard the sound of a melon exploding (ie at Z313), this would have been hidden by the muzzle blast plus the echoes of the earlier 3 shots.
Here are 5 Zapruder frames.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Z304.3 was at about Hickey's first shot of his 4 shot autoburst.

[Michael T. Griffith]

This thread is a complete waste of time. This is another thread pushing a long-debunked, far-fetched theory that only a tiny number of researchers even take seriously. The theory being pushed by the thread's author is an unfortunate mutation of Howard Donahue's discredited Hickey-headshot theory.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

This thread is a complete waste of time. This is another thread pushing a long-debunked, far-fetched theory that only a tiny number of researchers even take seriously. The theory being pushed by the thread's author is an unfortunate mutation of Howard Donahue's discredited Hickey-headshot theory.

Debunked? Discredited?
Show me one piece of credible debunking.
One strike & my Hickey theory is out.
Donahue (& McLaren) somehow missed realizing that Hickey fired more than one shot (they thort that Hickey fired the headshot only).
But offhand i dont recall any researchers that have taken Donahue's single-shot theory seriously.
And certainly zero researchers that take my multi-shot theory seriously.
Plus Donahue had some silly Carcano ricochet theory as well. So did Holland. My own ricochet theory is good. In other words i know more than everyone else around here combined.