Was Hickey's AR15 in burst mode?

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Hi John, I don't have your talent for photo illustration but the arrow here indicates the impact point viewed from the front and rear. There was a theory that what we see from the front view is part of someone behind JFK's shoulder, which seems like a good explanation, but hey presto, that light coloured zone matches the position (and the shape somewhat) of the impact viewed from the rear. What a coincidence.

that is a white glove on the hand of an african american lady.
That is a lady holding a white handbag.

[Jim Hawthorn]

that is a white glove on the hand of an african american lady.

Ah. Is there another photo showing said gloved lady?

[John Mytton]

Hi John, I don't have your talent for photo illustration but the arrow here indicates the impact point viewed from the front and rear. There was a theory that what we see from the front view is part of someone behind JFK's shoulder, which seems like a good explanation, but hey presto, that light coloured zone matches the position (and the shape somewhat) of the impact viewed from the rear. What a coincidence.

1. For a start, I don't think they are even close to be in relative similar positions.
2. Secondly your crack looks to be too big and not the right shape.
3. And thirdly and most importantly, from Altgens' position, the left side of you crack is bordered by the mirror and the bottom of the crack is bordered by the top of Kennedy's shoulder.
4 Which fourthly means that your "crack" is simply a white object behind.



JohnM

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Ah. Is there another photo showing said gloved lady?

Wait, no, the lady is No3 in a line of 8 african american ladies, & she is holding a white handbag (she hasnt got a white glove).
She has her arm throo the straps, so that she can clap.

[Jim Hawthorn]

1. For a start, I don't think they are even close to be in relative similar positions.

3. And thirdly and most importantly, from Altgens' position, the left side of you crack is bordered by the mirror and the bottom of the crack is bordered by the top of Kennedy's shoulder.

They are very close. Uncannily close. It's a question of viewing perspective - the position/height of each photographer.

2. Secondly your crack looks to be too big and not the right shape.

The shapes aren't too dissimilar! The hard sunlight on the windshield (in the Altgens photo) could have accentuated the light refraction.



Besides that, what is your opinion concerning the chrome trim impact?

[John Mytton]

They are very close. Uncannily close. It's a question of viewing perspective - the position/height of each photographer.

The shapes aren't too dissimilar! The hard sunlight on the windshield (in the Altgens photo) could have accentuated the light refraction.



Besides that, what is your opinion concerning the chrome trim impact?

They are very close. Uncannily close. It's a question of viewing perspective - the position/height of each photographer.

Yes, it is a question of perspective and from Altgens' position being a little to the right side of the Limo, the white mark is right next to the mirror and from behind, the camera is just right of center and the crack is quite a distance away. It should be easy enough to plot the positions of both cameras using line of sight in relation to the windscreen crack, if you want to prove your hypothesis it isn't enough to say it's "Uncannily close" it's got to be exact or all bets are off. But I still stick to my close up analysis of Altgens 6, the borders of the mirror and Kennedy's jacket are the outline of the white mark.



EDIT It's getting late and I quickly knocked this up, so it's not 100%, but it should get the idea across.

Red line, mirror.
Blue star, position of crack.
Green line, from Parkland camera through the edge of steering wheel through to position of crack.
Purple line, from Altgens position and using the edge of the mirror through to Kennedy's shoulder.
Conclusion, the Green and purple lines passing through the windscreen are not going through the exact same spot!



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Besides that, what is your opinion concerning the chrome trim impact?

I think it's a fragment of the bullet that struck Kennedy in the head and the windscreen crack is another bullet fragment, and coincidentally the two larger fragments were recovered in the Limo.





JohnM

[Jim Hawthorn]

Yes, it is a question of perspective and from Altgens' position being a little to the right side of the Limo, the white mark is right next to the mirror and from behind, the camera is just right of center and the crack is quite a distance away. It should be easy enough to plot the positions of both cameras using line of sight in relation to the windscreen crack, if you want to prove your hypothesis it isn't enough to say it's "Uncannily close" it's got to be exact or all bets are off. But I still stick to my close up analysis of Altgens 6, the borders of the mirror and Kennedy's jacket are the outline of the white mark.

EDIT It's getting late and I quickly knocked this up, so it's not 100%, but it should get the idea across.

Great. Thanks.
The diagram is good approximation of the sight lines but if Altgens was standing one pace to the right, the (theoretical) mark would be closer to the mirror.

This is diagram is also pretty convincing:

[Royell Storing]

Great. Thanks.
The diagram is good approximation of the sight lines but if Altgens was standing one pace to the right, the (theoretical) mark would be closer to the mirror.

This is diagram is also pretty convincing:

    Bear in mind that during his WC Testimony, Altgens CHALLENGED his generally accepted physical position on Elm St. His challenge was based on the distance setting he had made to his camera.