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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #192 on: April 12, 2021, 03:14:32 PM »
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Your pathetic attempts at ridicule are in sharp contrast with your total inability to have a normal conversation or to answer even the most simple questions.   Thumb1:

Says the contrarian who made up a totally implausible and baseless fantasy story in which Oswald lies to Frazier and then later to the DPD against his own self interest in the assassination of the President as a cover for his domestic woes.  I thought you contrarians didn't even believe CE 142 was the bag Oswald carried that morning.  It just magically appeared there in your contrarian world (how are we to know where it came from?) and can't be linked to Oswald even though his prints are on the bag.   

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #192 on: April 12, 2021, 03:14:32 PM »


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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #193 on: April 12, 2021, 03:45:42 PM »
You appear to be acknowledging that this was the bag Oswald carried that morning otherwise it is difficult to understand why you are trying to square it with the appearance of the bag Frazier described.  Correct?  I thought you believed the bag was created by the DPD in some bizarre misunderstanding that was never corrected for some inexplicable reason (all the stuff about no situ photos etc).  Has that story changed?  Or was CE 142 the bag Oswald carried that morning?

I simply agreed with the various statements Dan proposed. Interesting what can arise with an open mind and simply looking at evidence. Another interesting hypothesis. Maybe he brought the metal components of the rifle without the stock.

The official bag "story" has serious flaws. Without it the LN case is considerably weakened.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #194 on: April 12, 2021, 03:48:54 PM »
Says the contrarian who made up a totally implausible and baseless fantasy story in which Oswald lies to Frazier and then later to the DPD against his own self interest in the assassination of the President as a cover for his domestic woes.  I thought you contrarians didn't even believe CE 142 was the bag Oswald carried that morning.  It just magically appeared there in your contrarian world (how are we to know where it came from?) and can't be linked to Oswald even though his prints are on the bag.   

I thought you contrarians didn't even believe CE 142 was the bag Oswald carried that morning.

The discussion between Dan and Colin supported the conclusion that CE 142 wasn't the bag Oswald carried that morning, but it seems you need a functional brain to understand that.....

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #195 on: April 12, 2021, 04:08:05 PM »
I thought you contrarians didn't even believe CE 142 was the bag Oswald carried that morning.

The discussion between Dan and Colin supported the conclusion that CE 142 wasn't the bag Oswald carried that morning, but it seems you need a functional brain to understand that.....

No it doesn't.  It allegedly supports the narrative that Oswald carried CE142 but that it did not contain the rifle.  Otherwise why compare Frazier's description of the bag Oswald carried that morning with CE 142?  That would be pointless if Oswald carried an entirely different bag.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #196 on: April 12, 2021, 04:15:56 PM »
I simply agreed with the various statements Dan proposed. Interesting what can arise with an open mind and simply looking at evidence. Another interesting hypothesis. Maybe he brought the metal components of the rifle without the stock.

The official bag "story" has serious flaws. Without it the LN case is considerably weakened.

Just saying the story has flaws over and over doesn't make it so.  And obviously, you can't argue both that CE 142 matches Frazier's description of the bag Oswald carried that morning and that CE 142 was not the bag Oswald carried but was planted on the 6th floor.  Those are mutually exclusive claims.  Either Oswald carried CE 142 that morning or he did not.  And even if Oswald for some inexplicable reason lied to both Frazier and the DPD about the long bag and its contents, it does not preclude Oswald from having smuggled the gun into the TSBD by some other means at some other time.  He didn't because it was in the bag he carried that morning but going down the CTer rabbit hole, Oswald could have brought the rifle to his boardinghouse on some occasion prior to Nov. 22 and taken that rifle to work at any time that week.  Again, he didn't because his rifle was in the bag but if CTers simply want to play the game of possibilities, then that can't be excluded.  The important thing is that Oswald's rifle is found at the crime scene (however he brought it there) and he provides no explanation for its presence.  In fact, he lies about his ownership of the rifle.  A slam dunk of guilt.
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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #197 on: April 12, 2021, 04:38:47 PM »
Just saying the story has flaws over and over doesn't make it so.  And obviously, you can't argue both that CE 142 matches Frazier's description of the bag Oswald carried that morning and that CE 142 was not the bag Oswald carried but was planted on the 6th floor.  Those are mutually exclusive claims.  Either Oswald carried CE 142 that morning or he did not.  And even if Oswald for some inexplicable reason lied to both Frazier and the DPD about the long bag and its contents, it does not preclude Oswald from having smuggled the gun into the TSBD by some other means at some other time.  He didn't because it was in the bag he carried that morning but going down the CTer rabbit hole, Oswald could have brought the rifle to his boardinghouse on some occasion prior to Nov. 22 and taken that rifle to work at any time that week.  Again, he didn't because his rifle was in the bag but if CTers simply want to play the game of possibilities, then that can't be excluded.  The important thing is that Oswald's rifle is found at the crime scene (however he brought it there) and he provides no explanation for its presence.  In fact, he lies about his ownership of the rifle.  A slam dunk of guilt.

The important thing is that Oswald's rifle is found at the crime scene

Oswald's rifle LOL

(however he brought it there)

however he or anybody else brought it there!

and he provides no explanation for its presence. 

Who asked Oswald for an explanation of the MC rifle being found at the TSBD?

In fact, he lies about his ownership of the rifle.

Oswald was never shown the MC rifle. He was merely asked if he owned a rifle, which he denied.
Why do you always insist on misrepresenting the facts?

A slam dunk of guilt.

A premature jump to a flawed conclusion


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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #198 on: April 12, 2021, 04:52:03 PM »
The important thing is that Oswald's rifle is found at the crime scene

Oswald's rifle LOL

(however he brought it there)

however he or anybody else brought it there!

and he provides no explanation for its presence. 

Who asked Oswald for an explanation of the MC rifle being found at the TSBD?

In fact, he lies about his ownership of the rifle.

Oswald was never shown the MC rifle. He was merely asked if he owned a rifle, which he denied.
Why do you always insist on misrepresenting the facts?

A slam dunk of guilt.

A premature jump to a flawed conclusion

The contrarian logic at work.  Oswald denied owning ANY rifle but the contrarian takes issue with the suggestion Oswald denied ownership of the MC rifle found on the 6th floor!  Even after being shown a picture of himself holding the rifle.  Wow.

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Re: Et tu, Bonnie?
« Reply #199 on: April 12, 2021, 05:11:01 PM »