Et tu, Bonnie?

[Martin Weidmann]

Lovelady is being asked a series of specific questions about when he saw Oswald at the TSBD prior to the assassination.  He answers in that context.  It is all the more amazing that CTer kooks are taking issue with Frazier's WC testimony that he did not see Oswald after 12PM while touting his testimony regarding his estimate of the length of Oswald's bag as gospel.  But again, this is typical pedantic rabbit hole nonsense.  We know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM.  As a result, he could not be hanging around the TSBD at 12:45 or so after the assassination.

It is all the more amazing that CTer kooks are taking issue with Frazier's WC testimony that he did not see Oswald after 12PM while touting his testimony regarding his estimate of the length of Oswald's bag as gospel.  But again, this is typical pedantic rabbit hole nonsense.

Yes, it is nonsense, but it is a strawman that is your nonsense

But isn't it amazing that LNs take BWF's testimony, that he did not see Oswald after 12PM, as gospel, yet completely reject his testimony about the bag he saw Oswald carry not being as large as the TSBD bag.

And isn't it amazing that "Richard" keeps raving on about Frazier's estimate of the length of the bag but completely ignores Frazier's description of how Oswald carried the bag in the cup of his hand and under his armpit.

We know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM.  As a result, he could not be hanging around the TSBD at 12:45 or so after the assassination.

Unless of course he was taken to the roominghouse by a Rambler.

Btw, how do we know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM?

[John Iacoletti]

Poor Roger.  Dancing like a circus monkey.  His prize witness who he believes can estimate the length of a bag with scientific precision confirms that he didn't see Oswald after 12PM.  So Martin/Roger deflects with some other rambling nonsense.  Isn't it getting late in "Europe"?

Says the guy who cherry-picks the statements he likes and disregards the rest.

[John Iacoletti]

Lovelady is being asked a series of specific questions about when he saw Oswald at the TSBD prior to the assassination.  He answers in that context.  It is all the more amazing that CTer kooks are taking issue with Frazier's WC testimony that he did not see Oswald after 12PM while touting his testimony regarding his estimate of the length of Oswald's bag as gospel.

Given that there is ZERO evidence of a rifle being inside any bag, that is irrelevant anyway.  What's really kooky is "Richard" thinking he knows how long a bag was better than the people who actually saw it.

  But again, this is typical pedantic rabbit hole nonsense.  We know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM.  As a result, he could not be hanging around the TSBD at 12:45 or so after the assassination.

  It doesn't take more than 15 minutes to get from Dealey Plaza to 1026 N Beckley.  Besides we don't actually "know" that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM.

[Richard Smith]

It is all the more amazing that CTer kooks are taking issue with Frazier's WC testimony that he did not see Oswald after 12PM while touting his testimony regarding his estimate of the length of Oswald's bag as gospel.  But again, this is typical pedantic rabbit hole nonsense.

Yes, it is nonsense, but it is a strawman that is your nonsense

But isn't it amazing that LNs take BWF's testimony, that he did not see Oswald after 12PM, as gospel, yet completely reject his testimony about the bag he saw Oswald carry not being as large as the TSBD bag.

And isn't it amazing that "Richard" keeps raving on about Frazier's estimate of the length of the bag but completely ignores Frazier's description of how Oswald carried the bag in the cup of his hand and under his armpit.

We know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM.  As a result, he could not be hanging around the TSBD at 12:45 or so after the assassination.

Unless of course he was taken to the roominghouse by a Rambler.

Btw, how do we know that Oswald was at his boardinghouse in Oak Cliff prior to 1PM?

I'm not sure what you are babbling about.  Talk about straw man.   I accept Frazier's testimony that Oswald carried a long bag that morning.  I think he is being truthful about his estimate of its length.  He is just wrong which is entirely understandable because it is an estimate of the length of an object that he had little cause to notice at the time.  In contrast, there is no such subjective qualifier to his answer as to when he last saw Oswald.  He either saw him after the assassination or he did not.  He doesn't have to make an estimate to answer that question.  He says in his WC testimony that he did not.  That is about as clear as it gets.  And yet contrarian loons such as yourself are suggesting that Oswald hung around the building until 12:45.  By implication that means anyone who puts him on the bus, cab, or boardinghouse (various random citizens) all lied for some inexplicable reason.  And on and on that fantasy goes.  That is just rabbit hole nonsense.  Even humorous.

[John Iacoletti]

I'm not sure what you are babbling about.  Talk about straw man.   I accept Frazier's testimony that Oswald carried a long bag that morning.  I think he is being truthful about his estimate of its length.  He is just wrong which is entirely understandable because it is an estimate of the length of an object that he had little cause to notice at the time.

a) who the hell are you to just declare that he was "wrong"?

b) he didn't just "estimate" the bag.  He saw how much of the back seat it took up, and he saw how it was carried. He also saw what kind of paper it was made of and he definitively stated that CE142 was not the same bag.  Deal with it.

  In contrast, there is no such subjective qualifier to his answer as to when he last saw Oswald.  He either saw him after the assassination or he did not.  He doesn't have to make an estimate to answer that question.  He says in his WC testimony that he did not.  That is about as clear as it gets. 

And he says in interviews with both Gary Mack and Stephen Fagin that he saw Oswald coming down Houston street.  That's also as clear as it gets.

And yet contrarian loons such as yourself are suggesting that Oswald hung around the building until 12:45.  By implication that means anyone who puts him on the bus, cab, or boardinghouse (various random citizens) all lied for some inexplicable reason.

No, Strawman "Smith".  Whaley put him in the cab at 12:30.  That can't be right.  Roberts put him at the boardinghouse near 1:00 PM which has no conflict whatsoever with being outside the TSBD at 12:45.  Besides, Buell told Gary Mack it was 5-10 minutes after the assassination.

  And on and on that fantasy goes.  That is just rabbit hole nonsense.  Even humorous.

The humorous nonsense is what you arbitrarily try to pass off as fact.

[John Iacoletti]

You wouldn't be trying to say Frazier had his lunch then went outside to see Oswald "about 15 minutes" later?

You can obviously see the problem with that scenario.

I'm in the middle of reading Frazier's book right now, and he's actually quite clear that he saw Lee on Houston street before he went back in to eat his sandwich in the basement.

[Dan O'meara]

I'm in the middle of reading Frazier's book right now, and he's actually quite clear that he saw Lee on Houston street before he went back in to eat his sandwich in the basement.

Was this before or after he saw Mr Brown walking down the street with his rifle clearly on display?

[Alan Ford]

Lovelady is being asked a series of specific questions about when he saw Oswald at the TSBD prior to the assassination.  He answers in that context.

 

Mr. BALL - Did you ever see him again that day?
Mr. LOVELADY - No.