Is Fred Litwin the new LN proponent leader?

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Steve, continuing from my last post, here is an excerpt of another blog post (March, 2021) of Mr. Litwin,

You indicate you have the identical approach as Mr. Litwin's. You minimize, avoid, or ignore what does not fit your conclusions, instead of being open to what the facts indicate.

My original research is now 5 years old. Five years of ignoring new, verifiable details while sticking to the old, which resolved nothing, because it can't, it is incomplete, is par for the course, I guess!

Mr. Litwin does not mention Edward Baldwin's brother David in the blog post I linked to. They are son's of the sister of Garrison's father-in-law. Edward Baldwin worked for years as associates under WC senior asst. counsel,
Leon Hubert. Baldwin, Hubert, and the Baldwins' sister's future husband (See Obit, below) went into law practice together.:

Date on left: 1965, date on right, 1954:


https://jfkfacts.org/comment-of-the-week-17/#comment-859056




Proof the Baldwin brothers were nephews of Garrison's wife's father, Herbert Ziegler.
His sister. the Baldwin's mother, was Adele Ziegler Baldwin Raworth, obit displayed above.

Oh, I just KNEW the name 'Baldwin' would 'trigger' you, Tom.  We all need a jolt every now and then, eh?

[Joe Elliott]

How does Fred Litwin stack up against his predecessors Gerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, Dale Myers, and John McAdams? Does he make more or less convincing arguments than these in favor of the LN position?

Fred is okay, but he does not rank in the foremost ranks of General LN spokesmen like these four, plus Jean Davidson who I would add to that list. There are also the top LN spokesmen who were not “Generalists” but “Specialists” in some narrow field, like in ballistics like Luke Haag, Michael Hagg, Larry Sturdivan, or medicine like Dr. John Lattimer. Fred is not as major a spokesman as any of them are (or was).

[Jerry Organ]

Dale K Myers was pretty prominent and stills maintains a blog. He seems to have been busy the last decade with other chores. Maybe when he's earned enough to retire, he'll re-emerge.

The new prominent LN "leader" may possibly a 3D expert on the scale of Mr. Myers but armed with the latest advances in 3D imagery. I have been in touch with one such expert who recently did cloud point surveys in Dealey Plaza. If he were to team with, say, Ken Burns, it would be quite a program.

If not 3D, then I would like to see a personable TV-friendly doctor or forensic pathologist responsibly critique the CT claims. Entertaining but informative, like the Netflick true-crime documentary series. I don't see the mainstream networks ever bothering with the JFK controversy.

[Tom Scully]

....

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20298&p=275914
Thomas H. Purvis – Posted 19 July 2013
…….
The “power structure” within New Orleans lies not with those who are currently in what is some temporary political position.

It lies with those who possess the capability to place these persons in the various political positions.

Therefore, Jim Garrison, not unlike any other political figure in New Orleans, did what he was instructed to do or else he suffered the consequences.

Now, if one could only resolve exactly who, within the deep south city of New Orleans, LA, would have reason to replace JFK.

Hint: It would be those who, for whatever reason, had the means and reasons to end Fidel Castro’s control of Cuba.

Just perhaps someone whom United Fruit entrusted to their most confidential tasks

....

Take it one step further than this....:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=162353#relPageId=7&search=volkswagen

[Tom Scully]

...IOW, why is it so difficult to consider that all of it was a charade? Garrison's career was not severely impacted, he kept his family ties to his alleged CIA tormentors a secret, even from Joan Mellen, and especially, from Zachary Sklar, editor of Garrison's autobiography, and there were no new investigations of the intelligence complex-Assassination of JFK until 1975. Nicholas Lemann, nephew of alleged CIA paymaster of NOLA Stephen Lemann and grandson of Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann, mother of David Baldwin's wife, was free to ridicule Stone's film in GQ magazine and on Charlie Rose's TV show while disclosing nothing of Nicholas's family ties, including with Garrison's wife, via her 1st cousin/godfather David Baldwin, with no one demanding such disclosure, not even Garrison! Mission accomplished?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=139367#relPageId=123



JFK Facts » Comment of the week
https://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/
"Survivors include his wife, Marlin Head Robertson; three sons, Sen. Phillip S. Robertson of New Haven, Conn., Willard E. Robertson Jr. and James C. Robertson, and a daughter, Patricia Miller of New Haven, Conn. The 1940 US Census indicates Willard was a $35 per week restaurant manager who had married Sally Moss of New York."

Willard E. Robertson, born 1907, still residing in New Hampshire with parents at age 22, 1930 U.S. Census
1935 - marries Sally Moskowitz in New York
1938 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a clerk in a Yale campus vicinty, men's clothing store
1940 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed at a bakery-restaurant
1942 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as manager of a Yale campus vicinity breakfast-lunch restaurant
1944 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a West Haven, CT woodworker by Jack Churchward.
(Churchward and Allen Dulles both entered Princeton Univ. in 1910)
1946 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a West Haven prod. superintendent, Churchward Industries
(Willard Robertson is 38 years old, resides with wife Sally and two children in rented house, Elm St., New Haven)
1947 - Churchward sends Robertson to NOLA to set up Southeast marketing of Churchward steel hulled boats)
1950 - December 8, Now divorced, 42 yr old Robertson marries his 22 yr old office secretary, Marie Gossom
(Churchward http://steelcruisers.com/steelcrafts.html files for bankruptcy in 1952)
1955 - Willard Robertson markets Renault Dauphine from a booth at the NOLA Trade Mart

Compared to the others selected by Volkswagen to be their regional distributors, Willard was a nobody.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Getting_the_Bugs_Out/
Getting the Bugs Out: The Rise, Fall, and Comeback of ... - Page 76
David Kiley · 2002
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 76
East of the Mississippi , Lange ' s counterpart was Will van de Kamp . ... Michigan , covering Michigan and Indiana ; Charles Urschel , Jr . , in San Antonio , Texas ; Willard Robertson in New Orleans , Louisiana , covering the Delta states and ...

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/I%20Disk/Informational%20Council%20of%20the%20Americas/Item%2016.pdf


https://washingtonmonthly.com/2009/11/01/windmills-revisited/
Windmills, Revisited
by Nicholas Lemann November 1, 2009
" The Monthly, methodologically, was always reportorial, and it was never conservative but, when I joined the magazine, the other editorial employee besides me and Charlie was Tom Bethell, an actual conservative, and it seemed as if the magazine devoted its main energies to attacking conventional liberal positions. When I first came to the magazines office for my job interview in the winter of 1976, .."

Tom Bethell -- Garrison's JFK Assassination Investigation ...
www.mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bethell5.htm
He was sort of talked into it by Willard Robertson, Rault and Garrison. Ivon said that Willard Robertson has practically underwritten the investigation, and has personally donated $25,000 or $30,000 of his own money to "Truth or Consequences". However, Ivon does not think Robertson intends to give any more, or is unlikely to.

Tom Bethell, who helped derail Jim Garrison's Kennedy ...
https://www.nola.com/news/courts/article_ad55ed42-7308-11eb-8194-57d5cd366e53.html
Nicholas Lemann, who had befriended Bethell when both worked for The Courier, said Bethell wrote a 10,000-word piece, never published, on the cornetist Buddy Bolden. After a stint at New Orleans...

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20298&p=275914
    Thomas H. Purvis – Posted 19 July 2013
    …….
    The “power structure” within New Orleans lies not with those who are currently in what is some temporary political position.

    It lies with those who possess the capability to place these persons in the various political positions…

Both the obituaries of CIA officers Burke and Ray managed to include the detail of their membership in the New Orleans country club long managed (since 1925) by Ernest I. Gossom, Willard Robertson's father-in-law and business partner.

In 1960, Willard Robertson was driving a vehicle in an accident in which his wife, Marie, Gossom's daughter, was killed. In 1962, widower Robertson married his third wife, Marlin Head, of Shreveport.



In 1967, the CIA counsel came to NOLA to discuss on May 13, 1967, the Garrison Investigation with Lloyd Ray. Curiously, they did not meet at the assumed to be secure, CIA Domestic contacts office.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55186#relPageId=260&search=%22new_orleans%20country%20club%22
 2. Reel 24, Folder I - GARRISON INVESTIGATION., pg 260
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 24: Photo Surveillance, Garrison)
"Ray and myself went to the New Orleans Country Club and discussed all the ramifications of the Garrison investigation as they had developed up to that"

[Mark A. Oblazney]

...IOW, why is it so difficult to consider that all of it was a charade? Garrison's career was not severely impacted, he kept his family ties to his alleged CIA tormentors a secret, even from Joan Mellen, and especially, from Zachary Sklar, editor of Garrison's autobiography, and there were no new investigations of the intelligence complex-Assassination of JFK until 1975. Nicholas Lemann, nephew of alleged CIA paymaster of NOLA Stephen Lemann and grandson of Mildred Crumb Lyons Lemann, mother of David Baldwin's wife, was free to ridicule Stone's film in GQ magazine and on Charlie Rose's TV show while disclosing nothing of Nicholas's family ties, including with Garrison's wife, via her 1st cousin/godfather David Baldwin, with no one demanding such disclosure, not even Garrison! Mission accomplished?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=139367#relPageId=123



JFK Facts » Comment of the week
https://jfkfacts.org/comment-week-21-9/
"Survivors include his wife, Marlin Head Robertson; three sons, Sen. Phillip S. Robertson of New Haven, Conn., Willard E. Robertson Jr. and James C. Robertson, and a daughter, Patricia Miller of New Haven, Conn. The 1940 US Census indicates Willard was a $35 per week restaurant manager who had married Sally Moss of New York."

Willard E. Robertson, born 1907, still residing in New Hampshire with parents at age 22, 1930 U.S. Census
1935 - marries Sally Moskowitz in New York
1938 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a clerk in a Yale campus vicinty, men's clothing store
1940 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed at a bakery-restaurant
1942 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as manager of a Yale campus vicinity breakfast-lunch restaurant
1944 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a West Haven, CT woodworker by Jack Churchward.
(Churchward and Allen Dulles both entered Princeton Univ. in 1910)
1946 - New Haven, CT city directory, employed as a West Haven prod. superintendent, Churchward Industries
(Willard Robertson is 38 years old, resides with wife Sally and two children in rented house, Elm St., New Haven)
1947 - Churchward sends Robertson to NOLA to set up Southeast marketing of Churchward steel hulled boats)
1950 - December 8, Now divorced, 42 yr old Robertson marries his 22 yr old office secretary, Marie Gossom
(Churchward http://steelcruisers.com/steelcrafts.html files for bankruptcy in 1952)
1955 - Willard Robertson markets Renault Dauphine from a booth at the NOLA Trade Mart

Compared to the others selected by Volkswagen to be their regional distributors, Willard was a nobody.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Getting_the_Bugs_Out/
Getting the Bugs Out: The Rise, Fall, and Comeback of ... - Page 76
David Kiley · 2002
FOUND INSIDE – PAGE 76
East of the Mississippi , Lange ' s counterpart was Will van de Kamp . ... Michigan , covering Michigan and Indiana ; Charles Urschel , Jr . , in San Antonio , Texas ; Willard Robertson in New Orleans , Louisiana , covering the Delta states and ...

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/I%20Disk/Informational%20Council%20of%20the%20Americas/Item%2016.pdf


https://washingtonmonthly.com/2009/11/01/windmills-revisited/
Windmills, Revisited
by Nicholas Lemann November 1, 2009
" The Monthly, methodologically, was always reportorial, and it was never conservative but, when I joined the magazine, the other editorial employee besides me and Charlie was Tom Bethell, an actual conservative, and it seemed as if the magazine devoted its main energies to attacking conventional liberal positions. When I first came to the magazines office for my job interview in the winter of 1976, .."

Tom Bethell -- Garrison's JFK Assassination Investigation ...
www.mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bethell5.htm
He was sort of talked into it by Willard Robertson, Rault and Garrison. Ivon said that Willard Robertson has practically underwritten the investigation, and has personally donated $25,000 or $30,000 of his own money to "Truth or Consequences". However, Ivon does not think Robertson intends to give any more, or is unlikely to.

Tom Bethell, who helped derail Jim Garrison's Kennedy ...
https://www.nola.com/news/courts/article_ad55ed42-7308-11eb-8194-57d5cd366e53.html
Nicholas Lemann, who had befriended Bethell when both worked for The Courier, said Bethell wrote a 10,000-word piece, never published, on the cornetist Buddy Bolden. After a stint at New Orleans...

Both the obituaries of CIA officers Burke and Ray managed to include the detail of their membership in the New Orleans country club long managed (since 1925) by Ernest I. Gossom, Willard Robertson's father-in-law and business partner.

In 1960, Willard Robertson was driving a vehicle in an accident in which his wife, Marie, Gossom's daughter, was killed. In 1962, widower Robertson married his third wife, Marlin Head, of Shreveport.



In 1967, the CIA counsel came to NOLA to discuss on May 13, 1967, the Garrison Investigation with Lloyd Ray. Curiously, they did not meet at the assumed to be secure, CIA Domestic contacts office.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=55186#relPageId=260&search=%22new_orleans%20country%20club%22
 2. Reel 24, Folder I - GARRISON INVESTIGATION., pg 260
Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 24: Photo Surveillance, Garrison)
"Ray and myself went to the New Orleans Country Club and discussed all the ramifications of the Garrison investigation as they had developed up to that"

You're 'at it' again, Tom.  Why are your posts so fascinating?  Now I have to fact-check again...... bother!!!!

[Gerry Down]

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=162353#relPageId=7&search=volkswagen

What do the letters DC/CI/R&A stand for in the above?

[Bill Chapman]

There have been several low profile LN proponent leaders in the past. These include Mel Ayton ("The JFK Assassination - Dispelling the Myths and Challenging the Conspiracy Theorists") and Jim Moore ("Conspiracy Of One"). I say low profile because they never really appeared on TV much.

Then there were the more high profile LN proponent leaders.

These include Gerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, Dale Myers, and John McAdams. They all wrote books and appeared on several TV programs and documentaries. But they seemed to have gone quiet as of late. As a result it seems a new LN proponent leader has taken their place - Fred Litwin, who has been more willing to put himself out there as of late than any of the other LN proponents mentioned. Thus by default, this in a way makes him the current LN proponent leader.

Fred Litwin has written two books on the JFK assassination: "I Was A Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak" and "On The Trail of Delusion". The latter book is an anti-Jim Garrison book and so has gained particular ire from Jim DiEugenio who is pro-Jim Garrison. I haven't read either of these books (yet anyway).

How does Fred Litwin stack up against his predecessors Gerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, Dale Myers, and John McAdams? Does he make more or less convincing arguments than these in favor of the LN position?

'But they seemed to have gone quiet as of late'
LOL That's one way of putting it: Bugliosi died in 2015 and McAdams recently.