Youtube Interview I Did, Tippit Case

[Martin Weidmann]

Mrs. MARKHAM. At one.
    Mr. BALL. One o'clock?
    Mrs. MARKHAM. I believe it was a little after 1.
   
1:06-1:07 qualifies as 'a little after 1' in my books

A 2 minute walk down one block would get her at 10th/Patton at 1:09 at the latest.
Do you think she stood and waited there for 5 minutes or more to watch Tippit being killed?

[Bill Chapman]

How do you picture a "debate" going between myself and Martin/Roger?

I can see it now...

Bill:  "The shells found at the Tippit scene were linked, through ballistics, to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of every other weapon in the world."

Then, as I begin to explain how ballistic testing works, Martin/Roger chimes in with this gem....

Martin/Roger:  "Oswald's revolver  LOL"

LOL doesn't mean what you think it means. In CTWonderland, it's a code/mantra/self-hug for 'Love Only Lee'.

[Martin Weidmann]

Let's hear from Earlene Roberts herself.

At 5.03 minutes in this timeline special Roberts tells us Oswald entered the rooming house after 1 PM

She testified he was in his room for about 3 to 4 minutes, or as Bill Brown misrepresents it "just long enough to grab a jacket".

If true, this means Oswald did not leave the rooming house until 1:04 or 1:05 PM, after which Roberts saw him standing at the busstop.

The fastest walk, short of actually running, from the rooming house to 10th/Patton takes roughly 12 minutes.

If Oswald waited at the busstop for just 1 minute, he would get to 10th/Patton no earlier than 1:16 at which time Tippit was already declared DOA (at 1:15) at the hospital.

Even if Helen Markham left her home at 1:06, it would have taken her no more than 2 minutes to walk one block from 9th street to the intersection of 10th/Patton. If Tippit was killed at 1:14, as Dale Myers suggests, or at 1:16 as the WC believed, are we to believe that Markham arrived at 10th/Patton at 1:09 or 1:10 and waited for at least 5 minutes to watch Tippit being killed?

How in the world, would Oswald be able to kill Tippit any time later as 1:10 (when Markham arrived at the intersection) if he was still at the rooming house at 1:04?

Let me guess;

Roberts was wrong in her time estimate, Oswald really came in before the 1 PM news started
Markham was wrong in her time estimate, she actually left her house to catch her regular bus much later than she said
Bowley's watch was wrong (which means he failed to pick up his daughter from school at the right time)
All the hospital clocks were wrong
DPD officer Davenport watch must also have been wrong as he confirmed the DOA at 1:15 twice in official documents.
Being declared DOA at the hospital is not the same as time of death
And Oswald could have been transported to 10th/Patton in a car for no known reason and by a person who never came forward.

Now what are the chances of all this coincidences happening in one case at the same time?

[Richard Smith]

How do you picture a "debate" going between myself and Martin/Roger?

I can see it now...

Bill:  "The shells found at the Tippit scene were linked, through ballistics, to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of every other weapon in the world."

Then, as I begin to explain how ballistic testing works, Martin/Roger chimes in with this gem....

Martin/Roger:  "Oswald's revolver  LOL"

Martin/Roger will never debate you.  These jokers have some dim realization that their nonsense doesn't cut it outside the fringe elements.  That is why they never take their "evidence" of a conspiracy to the NY Times or other media outlet but spend every waking hour on Internet forums proclaiming they have proven Oswald was framed for the assassination of the US President.  It is both sad and amusing.  Particularly the loons that take themselves so seriously.

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin/Roger will never debate you.  These jokers have some dim realization that their nonsense doesn't cut it outside the fringe elements.  That is why they never take their "evidence" of a conspiracy to the NY Times or other media outlet but spend every waking hour on Internet forums proclaiming they have proven Oswald was framed for the assassination of the US President.  It is both sad and amusing.  Particularly the loons that take themselves so seriously.

Is the bubble you live in nice?

I will not only debate Bill Brown but I would even take on a good for nothing loser like you. Just tell me where and when. Let's put it to the test. Come on then, mr big mouth or are you going to try to weasel out of it as Bill Brown has already begun doing?

Particularly the loons that take themselves so seriously.

Like you, you mean?

[Richard Smith]

Is the bubble you live in nice?

I will not only debate Bill Brown but I would even take on a good for nothing loser like you. Just tell me where and when. Let's put it to the test. Come on then, mr big mouth or are you going to try to weasel out of it as Bill Brown has already begun doing?

Particularly the loons that take themselves so seriously.

Like you, you mean?

Bill made a reasonable proposal to you for a podcast debate and you are the one who ran away.  Why not take him up on that offer instead of going down some type of alternative reality rabbit hole for once. 

[John Mytton]

If Oswald waited at the busstop for just 1 minute, he would get to 10th/Patton no earlier than 1:16 at which time Tippit was already declared DOA (at 1:15) at the hospital.

Even if Helen Markham left her home at 1:06, it would have taken her no more than 2 minutes to walk one block from 9th street to the intersection of 10th/Patton. If Tippit was killed at 1:14, as Dale Myers suggests, or at 1:16 as the WC believed, are we to believe that Markham arrived at 10th/Patton at 1:09 or 1:10 and waited for at least 5 minutes to watch Tippit being killed?

How in the world, would Oswald be able to kill Tippit any time later as 1:10 (when Markham arrived at the intersection) if he was still at the rooming house at 1:04?

It's too bad that your Star Time Eyewitness also positively identified Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald as the man who killed Officer Tippit and it's not as if this murder occurred in the middle of the night but it was the exact opposite, in daylight where everyone is clearly visible. And if it was only Markham then that would be enough to put Oswald away forever, but in addition either at the crime scene or fleeing the crime scene we have many more eyewitnesses who all identified Oswald wearing a jacket while holding a gun.  Then we have the evidence of Oswald being arrested with the revolver which EXCLUSIVELY matches the shells that multiple eyewitnesses testified that Oswald dropped. And to top it off Oswald tries to kill more cops when he was arrested, it's hilarious that you guys still try to prove Oswald's innocence with tiny insignificant time discrepancies and especially when your Star Time Eyewitness's testimony absolutely smashes your client, you can't have it both ways!

The Eyewitnesses who said the guy was Oswald

Mr. BELIN - You used the name Oswald. How did you know this man was Oswald?
Mr. BENAVIDES - From the pictures I had seen. It looked like a guy, resembled the guy. That was the reason I figured it was Oswald.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. V DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in that room?
Mrs. B DAVIS. Yes, sir. I recognized number 2.

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. GUINYARD. I was looking--trying to see and after I heard the third shot, then Oswald came through on Patton running---came right through the yard in front of the big white house---there's a big two-story white house---there's two of them there and he come through the one right on the corner of Patton.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Four? Did any one of the people look anything like strike that. Did you identify anyone in the lineup?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I identified the one we are talking about, Oswald. I identified him.

RUSSELL positively identified a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans Police Department # 112723, taken August 9, 1963, as being identical with the individual he had observed at the scene of the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J.D. TIPPIT on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Texas.
 
Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.

The Jacket eyewitnesses

Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say he was about your size, and he had a light-beige jacket, and was lightweight.
Mr. BELIN - Did it have buttons or a zipper, or do you remember?
Mr. BENAVIDES - It seemed like it was a zipper-type jacket.

Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion, dark hair.

Mr. BALL. What kind of a jacket, what general color of jacket?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It was a short jacket open in the front, kind of a grayish tan.

Mr. BELIN. Was the jacket open or closed up?
Mrs. DAVIS. It was open.

Mrs. MARY BROCK, 4310 Utah, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, she was at the Ballew Texaco Service Station located in the 600 block of Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas. She advised that at approximately 1:30 PM a white male described as approximately 30 years of age; 5 feet, 10 inches; light—colored complexion, wearing light clothing, came past her walking at a fast pace, wearing a light—colored jacket and with his hands in his pockets.

Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this now. When you first saw this man, had the police car stopped or not?
Mr. SCOGGINS. Yes; he stopped. When I saw he stopped, then I looked to see why he was stopping, you see, and I saw this man with a light-colored jacket on.

Mr. BALL. How was this man dressed that had the pistol in his hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. He had on a pair of black britches and a brown shirt and a lithe sort of light-gray-looking jacket.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket.
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; a light gray jacket and a white T-shirt.

Mrs. ROBERTS. He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.

The eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun

Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.

Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it

Mr. BALL. And what did you see the man doing?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol position.

Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?


Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running.

Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this man's face that had the gun in his hand?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Very good.

HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line.

Mr. BELIN. Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had a pistol in his left hand.

Jack Tatum
Next. this man with a gun in his hand ran toward the back of the squad car, but instead of running away he stepped into the street and shot the police officer who was lying in the street.

The Police Officers who were confronted with the murdering Oswald.

Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.

Oswald even admitted carrying his revolver which exclusively matched the shells Oswald dropped at the scene.

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.


Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.

Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.

JohnM

[Martin Weidmann]

Bill made a reasonable proposal to you for a podcast debate and you are the one who ran away.  Why not take him up on that offer instead of going down some type of alternative reality rabbit hole for once.

I didn't run away. I am not going to agree to a podcast from different locations. That's not an offer and Brown said it himself. He didn't want a debate where the other party could easily google information. A live face to face debate makes that impossible, yet he ran away from that.

But to a biased idiot like you (who supported a guy who claimed he could shoot somebody in the street and get away with it) Bill Brown will always be the "reasonable" one, no matter what I say or do.