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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2018, 01:36:08 AM »
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I think you're making a mistake in assuming that Texas loved LBJ -- especially Dallas.


Well, if I made a mistake, JFK made a bigger one for not choosing a running mate who could help him win an important state that could go either way.

Could LBJ help win Dallas? Not really. It was conservative and very much against Civil Rights. But Texas on the whole was not so extreme. Texas voted for the Democratic candidate for President throughout the 1960?s, unlike the deep South. LBJ was helpful in swinging Texas JFK?s way in 1960 and would be again in 1964, if he was still on the ticket.

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2018, 03:45:48 AM »
There was a recent "tradition" at the time to have a Southerner balance the ticket.

Year  Presidential
Candidate
  Vice-Presidential
Candidate
  Veep State

 
 
 
1948  Truman  Barkley
  Kentucky
1952  Stevenson  Sparkman
  Alabama
1956  Stevenson  Kefauver
  Tennessee
1960  Kennedy  Johnson
  Texas

FDR's three Vice-Presidential candidates were from Texas, Iowa and Missouri, geographic counterparts to FDR's New York State.

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2018, 03:55:33 AM »


How come when LBJ asked Judge Sarah T. Hughes to administer the oath of office on Air Force One, he happened to have a copy of it in his pocket? Imagine that.


The oath of the office for the President of the United States is included in Article Two of the U. S. Constitution. It is inconceivable that the President, and his advisors would not carry copies of the Constitution with them wherever they may go. Some coincidence indeed.

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2018, 05:33:03 AM »


The Constitution also states that there is an automatic transfer of power, thus, LBJ didn't need to be sworn in. Since he was carrying a copy of the Constitution according to you then he should have known this.


LBJ knew this but perhaps the Soviets didn?t. If not, this public ceremony, immediately announced to the world, would remove any doubts about whether the United States had a President of the United States. Or any doubts if the United States would be able to respond, immediately, to any sudden attack, nuclear or otherwise.

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2018, 05:38:09 AM »


How come when LBJ asked Judge Sarah T. Hughes to administer the oath of office on Air Force One, he happened to have a copy of it in his pocket? Imagine that.


When Jack made this post, he would have known that there was a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why LBJ would have a copy of the oath to the office of the President of the United States. It is contained within the U. S. Constitution. Or the person who relayed this information to Jack would have known. Either Jack should be ashamed, or angry at the person who gave him incomplete information.

But this is the tactic that I see CTers use time and time again. Give one some information. But not the total story, which would nullify or largely nullify the information they provided. It is the tactic of the side with a weak case for the truth.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2018, 05:46:14 PM »
The Constitution also states that there is an automatic transfer of power, thus, LBJ didn't need to be sworn in. Since he was carrying a copy of the Constitution according to you then he should have known this.

He wanted the photo op.

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2018, 05:49:28 PM »
The oath of the office for the President of the United States is included in Article Two of the U. S. Constitution. It is inconceivable that the President, and his advisors would not carry copies of the Constitution with them wherever they may go. Some coincidence indeed.

Then why did LBJ call Bobby to get the oath?  Just to rub it in?

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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2018, 08:06:26 PM »
The oath of the office for the President of the United States is included in Article Two of the U. S. Constitution. It is inconceivable that the President, and his advisors would not carry copies of the Constitution with them wherever they may go. Some coincidence indeed.

Give me a break, no one carried around the oath of office with them back in 63. When Sarah Hughes said to LBJ, "Sorry but I don't have the Oath of Office on me.", he handed her his copy and turned to the small crowd aboard AF1 and said jokingly, "If any of you speak of this, I'll deny it.",  then he turned to his long-time friend, Texas congressman Albert Thomas and smiled, and Thomas returned a wink.

And if LBJ's 1st thought after the assassination was that it might have been a commie plot, then why didn't he have the nuclear football with him on AF1? Ans: because he knew the rooskies had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Was JFK going to drop LBJ from the 64 Ticket ?
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2018, 08:06:26 PM »