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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2021, 12:07:48 AM »
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Well, there we have it. The martyr. Babbitt was "executed unarmed".

You don't have to go very far to find alt-right groups and media promoting Babbitt as a cause celebre. A few weeks ago, GOP Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona (whose three siblings are trying to get their brother removed from office because he's a racist) said the Capitol police were "lying in wait" for Babbitt.

For these guys, getting their "news" and lamebrain ideas from Fox News and Breitbart, to name a few, isn't about about keeping informed or understanding -- it's about right-wingers feeding their addiction.

This is as unhinged and false an equivalency as can be imagined. Neither Floyd nor Babbitt were "executed". Babbitt was shot in the midst of trying to beech a barricade to the Speaker's Lobby, after threatening police and urging others on with "Go! Go!" The officer might have thought she had a gun in her hand; now, if that comes out, you'll say he's lying. In any event, he felt she posed an immediate threat to himself or others.

You are making stuff up again to suit your political bias.  The details of Babbitt's death have not been revealed.  So you have simply made up stuff to suit the Trump hating narrative.  Just like the claim that a Capitol police officer was killed with a fire extinguisher which was promoted for months.  Another fake story.  I have just pointed out your hypocrisy.  All I'm asking for is due process for someone killed by the police.  Something that I thought libs like yourself advocated.  But I guess you are only concerned with police abuses when they can be used for race baiting purposes.  Shoot an unarmed woman in the head?  No problem because you don't like her political views.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2021, 06:23:44 AM »
The violent MAGA cult is at it again threatening violence against Biden voters. These people are the bottom feeders of society and just a bunch of animals. Look at how they nearly crushed this cop to death as they were storming inside the Capitol. Disgraceful and despicable. The GOP tried to stop an investigation into their own violent coup. 

Michigan Republican spooked by Trump fans openly threatening violence against Biden-voting neighbors
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Capitol rioter's friends tell judge he was just 'helping' cop he was dragging on the ground
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrectionist-2653623700/

Video shows US Capitol police officer crushed by door during riot by MAGA mob: The officer screamed for help as he was crushed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-capitol-police-officer-crushed-riot-b1784670.html


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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2021, 10:41:31 AM »
Wrong.  You are conflating enforcement of the law - which obviously the police can do by arresting people - with the authority to execute unarmed people simply because they are in the commission of a crime.  These are very different concepts.  The police can use lethal force only in very limited circumstances even when a crime is being committed.  The police cannot execute people who jaywalk or speed.  And then  say they did so because the person was in the commission of a crime.  How did that work out for the police officer who murdered George Floyd?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
"Imminent danger" via mob action is the justification for the shooting. It appears the "Maginot Line" was the glass doors. Babbitt is the first one attempting to cross the line.
Who in their right mind would want to be the first person across the line, knowing full well guns are drawn upon them.
She gambled and she lost.
Floyd wasn't part of a mob. He was subdued at the time of his death. Totally different situation.
The short, but very telling video is quite revealing.
These lawbreakers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2021, 11:03:12 AM »
If you missed it on the video, the muzzle flash comes approx 30frames=1 second after Babbitt is in place to cross the Maginot Line.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2021, 11:53:54 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2021/01/08/ashli-babbitt-shooting-video-capitol/
"Imminent danger" via mob action is the justification for the shooting. It appears the "Maginot Line" was the glass doors. Babbitt is the first one attempting to cross the line.
Who in their right mind would want to be the first person across the line, knowing full well guns are drawn upon them.
She gambled and she lost.
Floyd wasn't part of a mob. He was subdued at the time of his death. Totally different situation.
The short, but very telling video is quite revealing.
These lawbreakers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Again this has absolutely nothing to do with whether ANYONE who broke the law that day should have been arrested.  If there were crimes committed, then arrest those people.  If there were legitimate grounds to use lethal force, then let's hear them.  What is so controversial about that?  Why a secret investigation if it is an open and shut case?  Floyd is not an entirely different situation.  He was in the commission of several crimes at the time of his arrest (passing counterfeit money, public intoxication, resisting arrest).  An open investigation into the facts and trial confirmed that he was murdered by the police even if he was breaking the law at the time.  Exactly the same situation as these unarmed protestors.  Why not provide an open investigation for Babbitt?  Maybe the facts and evidence will demonstrate that her death was justified.  Or maybe they will show us that something we have been told to accept is not true like the story about a Capitol police officer being killed with a fire extinguisher.   All I'm suggesting is that we be given the facts.  This is still America and not Communist China where the government does whatever it pleases and then covers it up.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2021, 11:39:27 AM »
All these right wing extremist MAGA scumbags need to be locked up for a long time.

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2021, 04:37:06 AM »
Yes, this MAGA mob are domestic terrorists. 

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2021, 02:02:48 PM »
How a Neo-Nazi race war novel from 1978 helped inspire the Capitol insurrection

The Turner Diaries, a neo-Nazi race-war novel from 1978 that has long been influential in right-wing extremist circles, helped fuel the Jan. 6 insurrection, according to one prominent historian who studies white supremacy and political violence.

Appearing on the Daily Beast's "Fever Dreams" podcast this week, University of Chicago assistant professor of history Kathleen Belew noted that the book, The Turner Diaries, even includes a fictional attack on the Capitol.

"Please don't go buy this book. The money can still go back to white power groups if you do," Belew said. "It's the book that's very important to Timothy McVeigh before the Oklahoma City bombing. And it's come back up around January 6th. We have footage of Proud Boys instructing journalists to go read The Turner Diaries."

Among other things, Belew said a noose and makeshift gallows erected outside the Capitol during the insurrection was a possible reference the The Turner Diaries, which includes a story about "The Day of the Rope."

The New York Times first reported on links between The Turner Diaries and the Capitol insurrection in January, when Amazon removed the book from its site.

"A group of white supremacists attacks the Capitol in an effort to overthrow the U.S. government," the Times wrote, describing the book's plot. "Dozens are killed in the assault, including members of Congress and their staffers. But in the insurrectionists' view, the greater victory is symbolic."

The NYT called the book "one of the most influential texts among white nationalists and right-wing extremists," adding that in addition to the Oklahoma City bombing, it has inspired dozens of other acts of violence over the years, and serves as a blueprint for how to enact an insurrection.

"The narrative, presented as found diary entries, follows white people who form terrorist cells and start a race war," the NYT reported. "The attacks they launch include a bombing of F.B.I. headquarters, a mortar attack on the Capitol and 'the Day of the Rope,' in which 'race traitors' are lynched, including 'the politicians, the lawyers, the businessmen, the TV newscasters, the newspaper reporters and editors, the judges, the teachers, the school officials, the civic leaders, the bureaucrats, the preachers.' Eventually, the group takes control of the United States and carries out genocide on a global scale. ...

"Scholars and historians have expressed concern about the book's availability in the United States," the Times reported. "As more social media networks crack down on hate speech and calls to violence, some extremists may turn to books as a way to spread their ideology."

Listen to the Fever Dreams podcast below.

https://www.rawstory.com/the-turner-diaries/

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Re: Opposing a 1/6 Commission: The Disgrace of the Republicans
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2021, 02:02:48 PM »