President Kennedy Was Not The Only One They Killed

[Anthony Frank]

Neither did the JFK motorcade.
Neither did the JFK motorcade.
Although just one year earlier the JFK motorcade made no stops?

They were able to assassinate JFK because he was riding in an open convertible. After Kennedy's assassination, the Presidential Limousine model in which he travelled was given a substantial redesign.

According to the Henry Ford Museum of American Innovation, the vehicle was given a permanent roof, titanium armor plating, and an explosion-proof fuel tank. They clearly had no chance of assassinating LBJ unless that motorcade made the scheduled stops along the motorcade route.

1963 to 1972: Lyndon B Johnson's armored Continental

Lyndon B Johnson inspects the new presidential limousine, a 21-foot custom-built Lincoln Continental, that was
delivered to the Secret Service at the White House, October 21.

[Anthony Frank]

You mean LBJ exiting the vehicle?

Obviously they should have used a paid patsy instead of dumb-ass Babcock exposing his rifle in the front seat.

Amateur hour.

They were overconfident after assassinating JFK and having the Warren Commission cover up the obvious conspiracy.

They were clearly planning on President Johnson’s motorcade making “a number of stops along the motorcade route.”

[Jerry Organ]

They were able to assassinate JFK because he was riding in an open convertible. After Kennedy's assassination, the Presidential Limousine model in which he travelled was given a substantial redesign.

According to the Henry Ford Museum of American Innovation, the vehicle was given a permanent roof, titanium armor plating, and an explosion-proof fuel tank. They clearly had no chance of assassinating LBJ unless that motorcade made the scheduled stops along the motorcade route.

1963 to 1972: Lyndon B Johnson's armored Continental

Lyndon B Johnson inspects the new presidential limousine, a 21-foot custom-built Lincoln Continental, that was
delivered to the Secret Service at the White House, October 21.

That's a picture of the 1967 Lincoln Continental Presidential Limousine built for $500,000 and delivered to the Johnson White House late in 1968. I don't know if Johnson used it much. The limousine served into the 70s and was retired to the Richard Nixon Library in Yorba Linda, CA.

[Anthony Frank]

But getting back to the topic of the thread and Gerry Down's question:

So the KGB were going to keep assassinating US Presidents as they came into office one after another?

They intended to kill Nixon in April 1972 so that Vice President Agnew would become President and then lose the 1972 Presidential election to the Democratic nominee, who was supposed to choose Senator and renegade CIA officer Thomas Eagleton as his running mate. They would then kill the newly elected Democratic President to catapult Vice President Eagleton into the Presidency.

When the plan to kill Nixon failed, which is addressed later in this book, they, by their own admission, orchestrated the Watergate break-in to discredit Nixon but still failed to prevent his re-election. They also failed to get Senator Eagleton onto the Democratic ticket with Presidential nominee George McGovern, who first chose Eagleton to be his running mate but was forced to choose a different running mate a few weeks later.

The KGB officers were grooming CIA officer Jimmy Carter, the former Governor of Georgia, to run for President when they tried to assassinate President Gerald Ford in September 1975. The KGB had no belief in the democratic process, and the hope was that Carter’s election would be facilitated by assassinating Ford fourteen months before the election, which would have catapulted the relatively unpopular Vice President Nelson Rockefeller into the Presidency.

But the democratic process worked in 1976 to get a CIA officer elected to the Presidency, as Carter narrowly defeated President Ford in 1976, whereas the KGB efforts to take over the Presidency by way of assassination consistently failed.

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[Anthony Frank]

In 1981, KGB officers inside the CIA again sought to catapult one of their assets, Vice President and CIA officer George H. W. Bush, into the Presidency sixty-nine days after Bush became Vice President. CIA officers “detailed” to the “Secret Service” were tasked with making it happen when President Reagan left the Washington Hilton Hotel on March 30, 1981.

According to the Washington Post, if the Secret Service had parked the Presidential limousine where it should have been parked outside the Washington Hilton Hotel, “Reagan would have had a straight-line walk of about eight feet from door to car.”

Instead, Reagan’s limousine “was waiting about twenty to twenty-five feet down the driveway from the door.” In order to get to the limousine, Reagan had to “walk down the curving sidewalk.”

“Around the curve, flush against the hotel wall, the assailant waited with his pistol.” (“Come this way, Mr. President, your limo is down here.”)

“Generally, agents want the armored limousine waiting in a direct line with the President’s exit door as he moves from building to car. Such positioning shortens the period of vulnerability and makes it easier for agents to form a human shield as the public figure moves.  In some cases, agents have had the car moved one foot or less to have it perfectly aligned with the exit.”

“Television crew members at the Hilton said they had complained to the Secret Service about bystanders pushing into the area reserved for the press. One bystander, as it turned out, was the accused gunman.” (“Don’t worry about the bystanders. We know what we’re doing.”)

Henry Brown, an ABC television cameraman, “had complained earlier to the Secret Service that members of the public had ‘penetrated the police line,’ creating crowded conditions in the press area and making it difficult to work . . . . His complaint went unheeded, and Brown went on working. He was standing near the assailant when he started to fire.”

“‘He just opened up and kept squeezing the trigger,’ Brown said.”

“A Secret Service official said the advance agent on the scene concluded that it would be counterproductive to set up an area restricted only to the press on the narrow, curving walk outside the hotel.”

On April 4, 1981, the Washington Post reported: “The bullets that struck President Reagan and two of the three other persons wounded in Monday’s assassination attempt were positively identified yesterday by the FBI as ‘Devastators,’” which are “expensive, customized .22 caliber cartridges designed to explode upon impact with the force of slugs fired from much more powerful handguns.”

Besides the CIA’s “designated officers of the Secret Service” being intrinsic to the attempt to kill President Reagan, the intended assassin, John Hinckley, was traveling in the same cities with his CIA/Secret Service handlers in October 1980, and Hinckley had made off-and-on stays in Washington, D.C. dating back to September 1980, six months prior to the attempted assassination.

The Washington Post reported that Hinckley “was in Chicago, Dayton, and Nashville last October” at the same time President Carter “was in those cities for campaign appearances,” and Hinckley stayed at the “Capital Hilton Hotel September 27 and 28 and at the Quality Inn on Capitol Hill October 17-19, February 10 and 11, and February 16 and 17.”

The Post went on to state, “There is no evidence to indicate that these visits were tied either to the attack on Reagan or to any plan directed at former President Carter,” and no evidence “that he was stalking Reagan or any other political figure,” but “many of Hinckley’s travels are otherwise unexplained.”

The KGB officers obviously kept Hinckley close by while grooming him for the assassination, which they did by instilling him with a maniacal desire to impress teenage actress Jodie Foster by assassinating Reagan. Before setting off to kill Reagan, Hinckley wrote a letter to Foster stating that he was performing “this historical deed to gain your respect and love.”  It was well-established in 1981 that Hinckley thought he was going to impress Jody Foster by killing the President.

The Washington Post reported that Hinckley bought “what is apparently his first gun sometime in early September at a pawnshop in Lubbock, Texas,”  after which he was staying at a hotel just three blocks from the White House in late September and then traveling in the same cities as President Carter and his “Secret Service” handlers in October.

Regardless of the “not guilty by reason of insanity” verdict, information in the Washington Post on April 5, 1981, clearly shows why Hinckley was chosen to kill Reagan. The Post reported that in the spring of 1978, Hinckley joined the National Socialist Party of America, marched in a Nazi parade in St. Louis, and studied Mein Kampf in college. The National Socialist Party said Hinckley had been “expelled” because “he was too violence-prone.”

CIA operatives, specifically KGB officers inside the CIA, had no trouble manipulating the violent deranged psychotic into thinking he would impress a teenage actress by killing President Reagan. With KGB asset George H. W. Bush finally in the Vice Presidency, Hinckley’s KGB handlers easily provided him with access to the President of the United States.

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[Jerry Organ]

Johnson and Humphrey had the greatest sustained lead in modern history (Nixon in 1972 was similar). Killing LBJ would have propelled Humphrey into office. If a Presidential candidate dies or is removed, the party's National Committee decides on a replacement; in this case, it would almost certainly be Humphrey. There is also a provision for Congress to delay the election.

At one point, prior to the convention, Johnson was reluctant to run in 1964. He had a heart condition. Both things could have been exploited by the KGB.

[Anthony Frank]

Thanks for the info, but you failed to answer my question: was LBJ expected to leave the limo?

RE open limo, pretty stupid plotters as they could have eliminated both JFK and LBJ in Dealey Plaza and taken a year off in '64.

Like hitting two birds with one stone, considering the amount of effort it must have taken to plan and control the cover-up.

(Unless, of cause, LBJ was in on it from the get-go)

I assume LBJ was expected to get out of the limo at one of the scheduled stops on Saturday, October 31, 1964. That would be the only way they could assassinate him.

Killing him at the same time they killed JFK on November 22, 1963, was contrary to their plan.

The 25th Amendment to the Constitution, providing for Presidential succession and the appointment of a new Vice President, did not become part of the Constitution until 1967.

There was no Vice President on Saturday, October 31, 1964.

The first person in line for the Presidency was John W. McCormack, a Representative from Massachusetts who had been elected Speaker of the House in January 1962 following the death of House Speaker Sam Rayburn. President Johnson’s death would have catapulted Congressman McCormack into the Presidency on Saturday, October 31, 1964, after serving as Speaker of the House for less than three years.

The United States would be into the third day of a McCormack Presidency on Tuesday, November 3, 1964, when the American people voted in an election pitting the late President Lyndon Johnson against CIA officer and KGB asset Barry Goldwater.

With Johnson dead, the Southern states, including the electoral prizes of Texas and Florida, would definitely not be going to the liberal “Vice Presidential candidate,” Hubert Humphrey, nor would the mountain states, where conservatism flourished in 1964.

As for the electoral prize of California, it already had one Republican Senator going into the 1964 election, and a second Republican Senator was elected in 1964. San Francisco, which hosted the Republican National Convention in 1964, had a Republican Mayor at the time and had nothing but Republican Mayors from 1912 to 1964, and California was conservative enough to elect staunch Goldwater supporter Ronald Reagan as its Governor in 1966.

Goldwater’s running mate was Representative William Miller of New York, Chairman of the Republican National Committee. Going into the 1964 election, the electoral prize of New York had two Republican Senators and a Republican Governor, and more than half of New York’s forty-one Congressional Representatives were Republicans.

Efforts to block Senator Barry Goldwater’s election to the Presidency would be totally devoid of the political capital garnered by the late Presidents Kennedy and Johnson among liberals, moderates, independents, and conservatives. Even with fellow Southerner Lyndon Johnson alive and running as the incumbent President, the electoral prize of Florida gave 49 percent of its vote to Goldwater.

People who were determined to stop Goldwater from being elected to the Presidency would have to figure out who, if anyone, they were trying to elect as President.

Were they now trying to elect Johnson’s running mate, Senator Hubert Humphrey, to the Presidency, or were they trying to elect President John W. McCormack to a four-year term?

Were they trying to elect President McCormack to a four-year term while electing Vice Presidential candidate Hubert Humphrey to the Office of Vice President?

Or were they trying to elect one of them to the Office of President while not electing anyone to the Office of Vice President?

Devout opponents of Barry Goldwater would have to tune in to the news, read the newspapers on Sunday and Monday, and try to find out from polling officials just who and what they were voting for as they futilely tried to prevent Goldwater from being elected President.

According to the Twentieth Amendment to the Constitution, if the Johnson-Humphrey ticket prevailed on election day with President Johnson dead, Vice Presidential candidate Hubert Humphrey would become the “Vice President-elect,” while no one would be elected to the Presidency. Humphrey would then “become President” at the “beginning of the term of the President” on January 20, 1965, and the Vice Presidency, which had been vacant for fourteen months, would remain vacant for another four years.

John W. McCormack would relinquish the Presidency and most likely return to his position as Speaker of the House, where the Massachusetts Representative would again be first in line for the Presidency should anything happen to “President Humphrey.”

Few people would realize that their only choice would be to elect Hubert Humphrey to the Office of Vice President and that Vice President-elect Humphrey would “become President” at the “beginning of the term of the President.”

A 1964 CIA memorandum states that the “Disinformation Department” of the KGB has “covert propaganda campaigns aimed at the creation of confusion and panic in Western countries.”

In the end, the confused 1964 election would pit a liberal Senator from Minnesota, who had done no campaigning for President and who, as the Vice Presidential candidate, had no running mate, against the well-traveled, high-profile Republican nominee, Senator Barry Goldwater, and his running mate, Representative William Miller of New York, Chairman of the Republican National Committee.

KGB officers inside the CIA would have easily realized their goal of having Barry Goldwater elected to the Presidency in 1964. Robert Babcock’s story about a bet with “barroom acquaintances” would not have helped him any more than a letter to “President Goldwater” stating, as a very upset Lee Harvey Oswald once said, “I emphatically deny these charges.”

Once they knew their plan to kill President Johnson had gone awry, certain individuals in the “Secret Service” made sure that Robert Babcock was only “charged with disorderly conduct and jailed for the night.”

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[Bill Chapman]

They did not purchase their patsy. They duped him into parking along President Johnson’s motorcade route with a telescopic rifle “on the seat beside him,” and “a loaded 12-gauge shotgun” in his trunk.

Wouldn't have done him much good in his trunk. Unless he had a Walter White-type deal goin' down.