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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2021, 09:53:52 PM »
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Youthful antics, like Megyn Kelly's memories of Halloween. So, if a Republican politician wore blackface or posted nasty texts in his youth, you would likewise say it defined him?

Youthful antics?  Trudeau was almost 30 when he did this.  Wow that's a lame defense from someone who is so concerned with racism. It makes me wonder if it is politics rather than racism that dictates your opinions.  Trudeau is a spoiled, elitist racist of the first order.  He wore blackface on more than one occasion.  Imagine the hue and cry if Trump had done that?  But that's fine because Trudeau is a liberal woke.  Nothing to see there.  Canadians need to concern themselves with America instead of their own racist guy.  BTW.  How many African-Americans are leaving "racist" America for your socialist utopia?  What percentage of the Canadian population is black?  Do they call it the Great White North for a reason?  Maybe ask Trudeau when he finishes singing "Ol' Man River" at his next frat party. 

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2021, 10:53:24 PM »
Youthful antics?  Trudeau was almost 30 when he did this.

Trudeau (who's half-Scottish, half-French-Canadian) was 29 when he dressed as "Aladdin" (ie: not African-American) at an "Arabian Nights" dinner at the college where he taught. Pretty far from "Amos 'n' Andy". What's important is that he apologized and did not appoint racists or backwards-thinkers when he got into power.



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Wow that's a lame defense from someone who is so concerned with racism. It makes me wonder if it is politics rather than racism that dictates your opinions.  Trudeau is a spoiled, elitist racist of the first order.  He wore blackface on more than one occasion.  Imagine the hue and cry if Trump had done that?  But that's fine because Trudeau is a liberal woke.  Nothing to see there.  Canadians need to concern themselves with America instead of their own racist guy.  BTW.  How many African-Americans are leaving "racist" America for your socialist utopia?

Yes, America is much more a utopia for minorities, ethnics and refugees.

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What percentage of the Canadian population is black?  Do they call it the Great White North for a reason?  Maybe ask Trudeau when he finishes singing "Ol' Man River" at his next frat party.

Sure. Continue to ignore your own party's role in perpetuating racism.

Seems so remote and abstract now, but it was only in 2005 that Ken Mehlman, the RNC chairman, apologized to the NAACP for his party's "racial polarization". The GOP was talking stock and acknowledging its history. John McCain famously corrected a Republican bigot over Obama's religion. But McCain lost, most thought Palin exemplified the party better, and they veered right with Romney (a Trump "pick"). It became a slippery slope which led to January 6.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2021, 11:55:31 PM »
The key word here is "proposed" which means JFK actually got nothing done.  The litany of excuses doesn't change that.  LBJ was the person who actually achieved something with Civil Rights.  If anyone is to be recognized for that, then LBJ is clearly the person to do so.  And trying to place the blame for the lack of progress on "racist" Republicans is revisionist history.  A small group of Dem Senators held up any Civil Rights legislation for decades.  It took LBJ to break up that resistance by democrats.     
Shortly after the assassination (11/25/63), LBJ phoned Dr. King to inform him of the status of the civil rights bill and some of the other legislation that had stalled in Congress. The civil rights proposal was still in the House at that time and Congress was preparing to adjourn for the holidays. Nothing more was going to be accomplished for that session. The bill was dead at that time.

JFK meant well but he had little ability - or much interest at that time (note that he never mentioned the bill during his trip to Texas) - in really pushing the act through Congress. Thus the situation at the time of his death. With 1964 being an election year - when in normal times Congress essentially does nothing - there was no chance of the bill getting through.  And JFK, I would suggest, was simply not going to risk a potential loss of the South for that bill at that time. It was too risky. Domestically, JFK was a a pragmatist, a centrist and not a liberal; he showed that during his time in the Senate.

It would take JFK's death and LBJ's arm twisting (and more) to get the act through Congress. These claims that JFK gets credit for the bill are simply not historically accurate. LBJ himself ran in favor of the bill when he ran against JFK for the party's nomination. Note as well the risk that LBJ took. He would run for election in 1964 while aggressively pushing for the bill. Despite the strong possibility of losing the South and the presidency. The claim that he was behind the assassination is even more absurd when you realize what he did: he became president after killing JFK (allegedly) and then he risks all of that on the civil rights bill? It's absurd.

Recall that in LBJ's address to Congress and the nation after the assassination he said the "first thing" that had to be done to recognize JFK's legacy was pass the civil rights bill. As he told King in his call, "We just won’t give up an inch." LBJ is a difficult person to defend, to praise; he was a mean, nasty man and the horrors of Vietnam - and the lies and failures - define his presidency. But his accomplishments on behalf of racial justice cannot be challenged.

From the LBJ/King call:
MLK:  --because we know what a difficult period this is.  [Inaudible]

LBJ:  It’s just an impossible period.  We’ve got a budget coming up that’s—we’ve got nothing to do with it; it’s practically already made.  And we’ve got a civil rights bill that hadn’t even passed the House, and it’s November, and Hubert Humphrey told me yesterday everybody wanted to go home.  We’ve got a tax bill that they haven’t touched.  We just got to let up—not let up on any of them and keep going and-- 

MLK:  Yes.

LBJ:  --I guess they’ll say that I’m repudiated.  But I’m going to ask the Congress Wednesday to just stay there until they pass them all.  They won’t do it.  But we’ll just keep them there next year until they do, and we just won’t give up an inch.

MLK:  Uh-uh.  Well this is mighty fine.  I think it’s so imperative.  I think one of the great tributes that we can pay in memory of President Kennedy is to try to enact some of the great, progressive policies that he sought to initiate.

LBJ:  Well, I’m going to support them all, and you can count on that.  And I’m going to do my best to get other men to do likewise, and I’ll have to have y’all’s help.

http://www.lbjlibrary.org/lyndon-baines-johnson/timeline/a-conversation-between-lbj-and-martin-luther-king-jr/
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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2021, 01:09:34 AM »
LOL. Wasn't LBJ a "Democratic President"?  I suggested that he rather than do nothing JFK would be better recognized for his work with Civil Rights since the latter did nothing and LBJ actually did.  And talk about propaganda.   You have posted thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of posts that are simply cut and paste jobs that contain anti-Trump conspiracy theories and debunked falsehoods.  Unreal.

Nice try Richard.  :D :D :D

There are no "falsehoods". You can't even name one falsehood that you ridiculously claim. Everything that I've stated was 100% accurate including articles that I've posted.

Criminal Donald lost the election and I was 100% correct when I said he would lose since 2019. I also stated he will be indicted and that will happen soon. 

Every single Trump crime and scandal that I've posted is now being criminally investigated by the authorities. Everything  was accurate. And now it turns out Criminal Donald was spying on reporters and members of Congress.   

Everything you rant about is bogus made up right wing propaganda.       

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2021, 09:04:04 PM »
Trudeau (who's half-Scottish, half-French-Canadian) was 29 when he dressed as "Aladdin" (ie: not African-American) at an "Arabian Nights" dinner at the college where he taught. Pretty far from "Amos 'n' Andy". What's important is that he apologized and did not appoint racists or backwards-thinkers when he got into power.



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Trump's Cabinet

Yes, America is much more a utopia for minorities, ethnics and refugees.

Sure. Continue to ignore your own party's role in perpetuating racism.

Seems so remote and abstract now, but it was only in 2005 that Ken Mehlman, the RNC chairman, apologized to the NAACP for his party's "racial polarization". The GOP was talking stock and acknowledging its history. John McCain famously corrected a Republican bigot over Obama's religion. But McCain lost, most thought Palin exemplified the party better, and they veered right with Romney (a Trump "pick"). It became a slippery slope which led to January 6.

Jerry you are a good guy.  I actually like you despite your politics.  But it is a falsehood to suggest that Trudeau didn't dress in blackface.  There is a video of of him in blackface with an afro sticking his tongue out.  Trudeau has admitted that he did so.  Why not condemn this and ask for him to resign if racism instead of political affiliation is the determinative factor? 


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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2021, 09:08:21 PM »
Nice try Richard.  :D :D :D

There are no "falsehoods". You can't even name one falsehood that you ridiculously claim. Everything that I've stated was 100% accurate including articles that I've posted.



Name one?  How about this:  "Richard is misinformed because he listens to right wing propaganda. He viciously attacks every Democratic President while distorting their record and posts deliberate misinformation."  Remarkably you made this claim in response to my praise of LBJ (a "Democratic President" last time I checked) in advancing Civil Rights.  It is therefore demonstrably false. 

Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2021, 11:29:59 PM »
Name one?  How about this:  "Richard is misinformed because he listens to right wing propaganda. He viciously attacks every Democratic President while distorting their record and posts deliberate misinformation."  Remarkably you made this claim in response to my praise of LBJ (a "Democratic President" last time I checked) in advancing Civil Rights.  It is therefore demonstrably false.

No it isn't false. You made up bogus propaganda against President John F. Kennedy and President Joe Biden. That is a fact. 

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2021, 02:52:10 AM »
No it isn't false. You made up bogus propaganda against President John F. Kennedy and President Joe Biden. That is a fact.

Ugh.  Again, while I was praising LBJ you posted this:  "He viciously attacks every Democratic President'.  Unreal.  And you take issue with me criticizing JFK while you defend Oswald who murdered him?  That is tin foil hat stuff. 

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