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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2021, 04:15:34 PM »
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In the years before it became a museum, I recall there was some discussion of tearing down the building.  It was a painful reminder to many of the locals of the assassination and cast a cloud on Dallas for many years.  There were also some concern that the TSBD would become a sort of monument to Oswald.  I'm all for preserving history, though.  The good, bad, and ugly.  It's also a big tourist destination in Dallas meaning that it brings in money.  So the building is safe for the foreseeable future.

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2021, 05:47:24 PM »

 No. It is a historically significant building and it should remain.


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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2021, 10:17:50 PM »
Dallas has a Martyrs Park (dedicated to an 1860 triple lynching that occurred there) on park land directly west of the Grassy Knoll, beginning on the west side of the Underpass bridge.



The park has no monuments or signage about the event, the site itself is quite neglected, and having the land declared a city park to memorialize the lynching was a thee-year battle. Dallas "liberals" (or they could be Republicans who after-all are the "least racist", right?) would like to see the park incorporated into Dealey Plaza with a large area closed to traffic. Presumably signage would draw folks from the Plaza to the park and a proposed Memorial for Victims of Racial Violence. JFK's contribution to Civil Rights might be presented.

"The History of Hangings and Lynchings in Dallas County" ( link )
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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2021, 10:29:25 PM »
Dallas has a Martyrs Park (dedicated to an 1860 triple lynching that occurred there) on park land directly east of the Grassy Knoll, beginning on the west side of the Underpass bridge.



The park has no monuments or signage about the event, the site itself is quite neglected, and having the land declared a city park to memorialize the lynching was a thee-year battle. Dallas "liberals" (or they could be Republicans who after-all are the "least racist", right?) would like to see the park incorporated into Dealey Plaza with a large area closed to traffic. Presumably signage would draw folks from the Plaza to the park and a proposed Memorial for Victims of Racial Violence. JFK's contribution to Civil Rights might be presented.

"The History of Hangings and Lynchings in Dallas County" ( link )


Wow! That is ummm, I am at a loss for words...   :-X

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2021, 11:12:21 PM »
Dallas has a Martyrs Park (dedicated to an 1860 triple lynching that occurred there) on park land directly west of the Grassy Knoll, beginning on the west side of the Underpass bridge.



The park has no monuments or signage about the event, the site itself is quite neglected, and having the land declared a city park to memorialize the lynching was a thee-year battle. Dallas "liberals" (or they could be Republicans who after-all are the "least racist", right?) would like to see the park incorporated into Dealey Plaza with a large area closed to traffic. Presumably signage would draw folks from the Plaza to the park and a proposed Memorial for Victims of Racial Violence. JFK's contribution to Civil Rights might be presented.

"The History of Hangings and Lynchings in Dallas County" ( link )

JFK made no "contribution to Civil Rights."  So I don't see any connection.  JFK was concerned with the Civil Rights movement only to the extent that it put him in an embarrassing position to defend American racial policies of the time with foreign leaders.  LBJ would be a much better choice since he was from Texas and actually did something other than take a good picture.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2021, 11:53:27 PM »
Prior to assassinating Martin Luther King and Senator Kennedy, KGB officers inside the CIA used the long tentacles of the CIA to foment racial strife as they strove toward their vision of a race war in the 1960s. They promoted vehement opposition to civil rights and integration in Southern Democratic states, and they easily stirred up violence within African American communities.

Summers of violence followed the advent of growth in the civil rights movement in the early 1960s, largely because KGB officers saw racial strife and polarization of society as a means of inciting the masses in the United States. They were behind much of the violence targeting African Americans, including a Ku Klux Klan church bombing that killed four African American schoolgirls in Birmingham, Alabama, in September 1963, and they undoubtedly had inroads with African American militants who would stir up violence and anger within the African American community.

As noted in Chapter 1, “certain corrupt elements” of the CIA were focused on inciting “racial” unrest in the United States, and as such, the CIA’s Operation CHAOS joined with the Domestic Operations Division when it gathered intelligence on “United States Black Militants,” intelligence that would facilitate KGB efforts to promote racial violence.

The Rockefeller Commission, which focused only on CIA Activities Within the United States, stated, “In 1963 and 1964, civil rights disturbances occurred in Birmingham, Savannah, Cambridge (Maryland), Chicago, and Philadelphia. Early in 1965, serious disorder took place in Selma, Alabama, and in August of 1965 the Watts section of Los Angeles became the scene of massive rioting and destruction. By 1966, news coverage of domestic turmoil had almost become a part of everyday life in the United States . . . . Although severe racial rioting had occurred in United States cities in previous summers, it had never been as widespread or as intense as it became in 1967.” 

The information on “massive rioting and destruction” and “severe racial rioting” was in the report of the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States because the CIA was behind it all. Otherwise, the information would not be in the Commission’s report

In the “hardest hit” cities of Newark and Detroit, “conditions of near-insurrection developed in ghetto areas.”

The Commission on “CIA Activities Within the United States” also reported that the 1967 riots were “the worst racial disturbances in the history of the United States.”

Two African American militants, Stokely Carmichael and H. Rap Brown, “called for ‘guerilla warfare’ in urban ghettos.”

The fact that Stokely Carmichael and H. Rap Brown are mentioned in the report of the Commission on “CIA Activities Within the United States” means they were both CIA assets, or more specifically, KGB assets.

On August 6, 1967, KGB asset H. Rap Brown “told a rally in New York that the summer’s racial riots were ‘only dress rehearsals for revolution,’”  which clearly means the KGB’s “revolution” was supposed to take place in 1968.

The Commission, which desperately tried to downplay the CIA’s domestic operations, admitted it was “activities of the Central Intelligence Agency” that caused the Commission to address “political unrest, disturbances, disorder, and violence in the United States.”

It claimed that the CIA “activities” took place only during “the late 1960s and early 1970s,”  even though the Commission on “CIA Activities Within the United States” was specifically addressing profound racial disturbances from 1963 through 1968 and the CIA had been running rampant inside the United States since the early 1950s.

KGB officers inside the CIA looked forward to the years of “rioting” and “destruction” culminating in a race war in 1968. Toward that end, as noted earlier, they assassinated Martin Luther King on April 4, 1968, and they assassinated Senator Robert F. Kennedy on June 5, 1968.

One day after they assassinated Martin Luther King, African American militant and KGB asset Stokely Carmichael proclaimed, “We Negroes must arm ourselves with rifles and pistols and launch an assault on the streets of the cities of the United States in reprisal for King’s assassination.”

The Rockefeller Commission, which, again, focused only on CIA Activities Within the United States, stated that by the “middle of July, serious racial disorders had occurred in 211 cities.”

In their quest to control the government, the CIA clearly instigated and coordinated rioting across the United States from 1963 to 1968. Renegade CIA officers bent on carrying out the KGB-initiated quest to control the government undoubtedly instigated and coordinated the rioting that took place across the United States in 2020.

The KGB officers failed to realize their “race war” in 1968, and they exhausted all efforts along those lines by killing the two most prominent civil rights leaders of the day.

They did, however, leave a sociologically segregated society in the wake of their efforts. With substantial influence across the political spectrum and with years of terrorist acts culminating in the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy, the KGB officers clearly had a hand in putting an end to integration in the United States.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2021, 11:58:37 PM »
JFK made no "contribution to Civil Rights."  So I don't see any connection.  JFK was concerned with the Civil Rights movement only to the extent that it put him in an embarrassing position to defend American racial policies of the time with foreign leaders.  LBJ would be a much better choice since he was from Texas and actually did something other than take a good picture.

Why are so you bitter and misinformed?

What became the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was first proposed by Kennedy in his "Report to the American People on Civil Rights" in June 1963. Which led to this famous meeting in the White House on August 28th.



Kennedy would not include certain of their proposals, including police brutality against blacks (seems a forewarning now). Then came the assassination and Johnson's plea before a joint session of Congress:

    "No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor
     President Kennedy's memory than the earliest possible
     passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long."

The Southern states held out until the summer of '64 (Senator Yarborough the only Southern Senator voting for the bill; the lone Republican Senator John Tower voted against it). Johnson said "I know the risks are great and we might lose the South, but those sorts of states may be lost anyway." The Democrats drew a moral line in the sand that year and the Republicans began taking over the South with demagoguery and racist dog whistles.

Barry Goldwater, who was the Republican Presidential candidate that fall, voted against the bill, saying "You can't legislate morality."

BTW, the Johnsons took a pretty good picture too.



After Ike, the Republicans didn't get anyone photogenic until the wax figure Ronald Reagan. Sara Palin was smokin' hot.

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« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2021, 12:09:11 AM »
The main reason for the sociologically segregated society is President Lyndon Johnson’s “War on Integration,” which Johnson deceptively called a “War on Poverty.”

Johnson was a Southern Democrat who, like all Southern Democrats, hated President Kennedy and his policies, but he knew that he would alienate Kennedy voters if he did not sign the 1964 Civil Rights Act, President Kennedy’s landmark civil rights legislation.

Back in 1947, when President Truman pushed Congress to pass civil rights legislation, Johnson, a member of the House of Representatives, called it “a farce and a sham — an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty.’”

Johnson’s “mentor”  during his twelve years in the Senate was Senator Richard Russell, who led the Senate filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, stating on March 30, 1964, “We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our states.”

Lyndon Johnson and Richard Russell were “very, very close friends” in a relationship that started out with Johnson as “the student” and Russell as “the teacher.”

Vice President Johnson hosted a dinner “in Senator Russell’s honor” while Kennedy was President, and Johnson “told the assembled gathering that if he were able to personally choose the President of the United States, he would select Richard Russell.”

The “Southern Bloc” of Senators that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act was comprised of Lyndon Johnson’s buddies from his twelve years in the Senate.

Johnson, however, had a plan to stop integration dead in its tracks and keep Southern Democrats happy.

Johnson knew that the civil rights legislation he was compelled to sign would give people of African descent the ability to fully integrate themselves into society with absolutely no restrictions.

He also knew that giving money to people in poverty would tend to remove their incentive to participate in the free market economy, where any man or woman can rise to the level of his or her ability. So, Johnson launched his “War on Integration” and called it a “War on Poverty” in order to hide his true intentions.

President Johnson’s basic premise was: “Give money to people in poverty and they won’t integrate themselves into society.”

Segregation, which was the law of the land in Southern Democratic states a few years earlier, became more and more of a sociological norm as demagoguery took root, African Americans were exploited, and identifying with one’s skin color became a basis for gravitating towards segregation. It was the same demagoguery used by segregationists in the early 1960s as they called for separate but equal.

Gone were the exhortations that African Americans become integral parts of society, judged only on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. In due time, a nation with a large percentage of segregated African Americans was told that, for the most part, black people are victims who cannot succeed without government help.

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