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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #112 on: June 27, 2021, 02:58:12 AM »
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So, Babbitt was just a typical run-of-the-mill supporter of Donald Trump who believed Democrats were raping children?
Was that a question? Raping children? Well...if you say so. But I would call that idea completely off the wall. Not surprisingly.

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Offline Gerry Down

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« Reply #113 on: June 27, 2021, 02:59:40 AM »
What I was discussing was Babbitt's actions at the time she was shot; she was a QAnon zealot

You're showing yourself to be incoherent. The person who shot the woman did not know anything about her background at time he shot her nor had read anything she had posted on Twitter or Facebook. The idiot needlessly shot an unarmed woman in the neck. He knew nothing of her background - good or bad.

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« Reply #114 on: June 27, 2021, 03:53:57 AM »
Babbitt was trying to overthrow the US government? Using what, her bare hands?

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #115 on: June 27, 2021, 04:04:01 AM »
Jerry Freeman is another one spreading false right wing propaganda.
Does that mean there is a 'true' right wing propaganda?
 
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Ashli Babbit's was a far right wing domestic terrorist. That is treason against the United States of America...  Ashli Babbit was warned several times not to enter the Capitol and she smashed through the window anyway. She got what she deserved attempting to overthrow the US Government.
Always the pompous Plant. "Attempting to overthrow".... "Warned several times" huh? "Got what she deserved"? You were there? Your hatred for Trump has melted your brain. I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #116 on: June 27, 2021, 03:57:02 PM »
Tell us where we can see Floyd was made "a role model".

Was Floyd arrested in the midst of a sympathetic angry semi-armed mob who were threatening the police with taunts, physical assaulting several and refusing to comply? Also, Chauvin wasn't the singular policeman who did harm to Floyd over the course of nearly ten minutes.

That's not a crime nor why she was shot. Supporting a racist like Trump is a huge moral lapse, maybe. So, Babbitt was just a typical run-of-the-mill supporter of Donald Trump who believed Democrats were raping children?

You're comparing criminal records. What I was discussing was Babbitt's actions at the time she was shot; she was a QAnon zealot at the front of a vicious mob defying police and causing them physical harm, she reportedly shouted threats against the police and shouted "Go! Go!" as she was lifted up (so she could, I believe, attempt to unbolt the hallway barrier). By contrast, Floyd was handcuffed and pinned to the ground, gradually getting weaker until he suffocated.

Whether it's the Klan or Donald Trump talking about women being killed by migrants, the deaths of white women have served as a "rallying cry" to recruit or justify their evil.

Do you think the Capitol police would have been justified in shooting every unarmed protestor who entered the Capitol?  And you are really citing her political opinions as a justification for the police to kill her?  Scary.  I view this through the prism of the law.  Not race or politics.  If someone is committing a crime, then arrest them.  That goes for BLM and Jan. 6.  I think Chauvin should have been given the death penalty.  Not because he killed a black man but because he committed murder.  I have seen no reason to justify the killing of Babbitt.  She was one among many unarmed protestors that day.  Why kill her amongst that large crowd?  No answers have been provided but simple trespass is not a sufficient justification to shoot her.  Here in America everyone is entitled to have their own political opinions.  That is not a justification to kill them.  Maybe things are different in Canada where everyone has been brainwashed to have the same liberal woke ideas.  Easier there where there is no diversity.  It is all talk with no consequences.
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« Reply #117 on: June 27, 2021, 04:57:26 PM »
There is no way to know if the protestors weapons were for self defense against antifa or for attack. Antifa more likely. Antifa were at the protest and looking for trouble.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #118 on: June 27, 2021, 06:06:18 PM »
Do you think the Capitol police would have been justified in shooting every unarmed protestor who entered the Capitol?

You're like a CT who "dismisses" Bugliosi's "53 separate pieces of evidence" by saying Oswald leaving his ring behind doesn't make him the assassin. As you know, and regularly apply with regard to the Oswald evidence, it's the totality of evidence that's important. Before you went on to say I avoid "consequences", you left out a lot about Babbitt:
  • Babbitt was a fervent believer in QAnon conspiracy, a violent political movement classified as a domestic terrorist threat. Some on the far-right  conveniently dismiss QAnon as personal delusion. Babbitt believed in a worldwide satanic cult in which liberals where raping children: she once tweeted about "Biden the kid raper".
  • Babbitt has a history of violence and stalking. She was charged with malicious property damage. A former girlfriend of her husband had to get a protection order against Babbitt, after Babbitt assaulted her with her car.
  • The day before the insurrection, she tweeted: "Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!" After hearing Trump encourage her cult, Babbitt said "We are walking to the Capitol in a mob." So not some innocent bystander caught up in the group of thugs.
  • Babbitt was at the forefront of a vicious anti-democracy mob who were trying with flagpoles and helmets to breach a hallway set-of-doors. Video shows her being lifted or raising herself up so she could, I believe, reach through a broken window panel and attempt to unbolt the doors. She was shouting "Go! Go!" and had earlier shouted threats to the police. She would likely have been aware that a pointed gun was being aimed her way.
  • Police shoot people if they think--even mistakenly should it turn out--the victim is armed (possibility of mistake here), refusing to comply or respond to de-escalation pleas (for sure), or the officer feels his life of that of others is in danger (wouldn't doubt it myself).
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And you are really citing her political opinions as a justification for the police to kill her?  Scary.

Not as a singular reason. Her hateful comments reveal she was radicalized, which may have been behind her belligerent attitude when she refused to comply and instead threatened officers and tried to breech the barricade.

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I view this through the prism of the law.  Not race or politics.  If someone is committing a crime, then arrest them.  That goes for BLM and Jan. 6.  I think Chauvin should have been given the death penalty.  Not because he killed a black man but because he committed murder.  I have seen no reason to justify the killing of Babbitt.

Because you're radicalized by Fox News and Breitbart, you will never see a reason (other than your preconceived gas-light version)  regardless of what level of investigation takes place, how many people in law enforcement commend the officer doing his duty, or the officer himself explaining what he felt was necessary.

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She was one among many unarmed protestors that day.  Why kill her amongst that large crowd?  No answers have been provided but simple trespass is not a sufficient justification to shoot her.

Who ever said "simple trespass"? Gas-lighting. The DoJ said when the officer fired, "it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber". Watch the video. It was chaotic, there was no compliance, no willingness to deescalate, and--had the barricade been breech as Babbitt sought--there would have been an immediate violent threat to officers and Members of Congress.

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Here in America everyone is entitled to have their own political opinions.  That is not a justification to kill them.

Like that applies. More gas-lighting. :D You on the far-right (with your sense of entitlement) are such moaners when it comes to owning up to what you did. Blacks, brown and the poor have been talking it on the chin for centuries.



Donald Trump--the guy you voted for twice--thought people should be assaulted for their political views. The new book "Frankly, We Did Win This Election" by a Wall Street Journal reporter, says Trump was gleeful to see BLM protestors beaten up. "Crack their skulls!" and "Just shoot them!" Trump would say, adding he wanted the military to "beat the f--k out" of the protestors.

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Maybe things are different in Canada where everyone has been brainwashed to have the same liberal woke ideas.  Easier there where there is no diversity.  It is all talk with no consequences.

Would like to see your location under your name. Also, what state(s) did you grow up in.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #119 on: June 27, 2021, 07:04:37 PM »
Caro is often highly critical of LBJ.  He is the foremost expert on the topic and has spent decades researching his books.  If there is any "myth" in this context it is JFK's "Camelot."  JFK accomplished very little.  Certainly nothing of importance with Civil Rights.  Rather than the shining prince of white liberal elitist lore, JFK was an entitled lightweight with a well documented record of adultery, drug use, and undisclosed serious medical condition that he lied to the public about while running for office.  More Harvey Weinstein than King Arthur.
Caro says he "detests" and "loathes" LBJ for his appalling behavior and dishonesty. And he documents much of this behavior in his earlier volumes; the horrible mistreatment of "Bird", the dishonesty (LBJ's fellow college friends called him "Lying Lyndon") and more. In fact, Caro says that the LBJ family stopped responding to his requests for interviews because they were angry at his portrayal of LBJ.

My guess is that his next book will document the duplicity and corruption of LBJ during the Vietnam War. Anyone who thinks Caro is mythologizing LBJ hasn't read his books.

LBJ's a difficult man to understand. He was so awful, so mean spirited and deceitful. How could someone like that be so right when it came to civil rights and racial justice? People need to say "He was awful" and all of his work for civil rights was for personal gain. And nothing more. But that's simply not true. Caro shows this. So does Dallek, So do other historians.

People can reject all of this documentation if they want to. Or need to.

As for your JFK comments: in his defense he always was dealing with crises; the historian Richard Reeves called it a "crisis Presidency". Some were his fault, some beyond his control. So he really had little time to deal with his domestic agenda, either civil rights or Medicare or the tax cuts. And it took someone like an LBJ, who knew how to get legislation around the various "fiefdoms" that powerful Congressman held, to push it through.
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