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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #88 on: June 27, 2021, 04:04:01 AM »
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Jerry Freeman is another one spreading false right wing propaganda.
Does that mean there is a 'true' right wing propaganda?
 
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Ashli Babbit's was a far right wing domestic terrorist. That is treason against the United States of America...  Ashli Babbit was warned several times not to enter the Capitol and she smashed through the window anyway. She got what she deserved attempting to overthrow the US Government.
Always the pompous Plant. "Attempting to overthrow".... "Warned several times" huh? "Got what she deserved"? You were there? Your hatred for Trump has melted your brain. I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #89 on: June 27, 2021, 03:57:02 PM »
Tell us where we can see Floyd was made "a role model".

Was Floyd arrested in the midst of a sympathetic angry semi-armed mob who were threatening the police with taunts, physical assaulting several and refusing to comply? Also, Chauvin wasn't the singular policeman who did harm to Floyd over the course of nearly ten minutes.

That's not a crime nor why she was shot. Supporting a racist like Trump is a huge moral lapse, maybe. So, Babbitt was just a typical run-of-the-mill supporter of Donald Trump who believed Democrats were raping children?

You're comparing criminal records. What I was discussing was Babbitt's actions at the time she was shot; she was a QAnon zealot at the front of a vicious mob defying police and causing them physical harm, she reportedly shouted threats against the police and shouted "Go! Go!" as she was lifted up (so she could, I believe, attempt to unbolt the hallway barrier). By contrast, Floyd was handcuffed and pinned to the ground, gradually getting weaker until he suffocated.

Whether it's the Klan or Donald Trump talking about women being killed by migrants, the deaths of white women have served as a "rallying cry" to recruit or justify their evil.

Do you think the Capitol police would have been justified in shooting every unarmed protestor who entered the Capitol?  And you are really citing her political opinions as a justification for the police to kill her?  Scary.  I view this through the prism of the law.  Not race or politics.  If someone is committing a crime, then arrest them.  That goes for BLM and Jan. 6.  I think Chauvin should have been given the death penalty.  Not because he killed a black man but because he committed murder.  I have seen no reason to justify the killing of Babbitt.  She was one among many unarmed protestors that day.  Why kill her amongst that large crowd?  No answers have been provided but simple trespass is not a sufficient justification to shoot her.  Here in America everyone is entitled to have their own political opinions.  That is not a justification to kill them.  Maybe things are different in Canada where everyone has been brainwashed to have the same liberal woke ideas.  Easier there where there is no diversity.  It is all talk with no consequences.
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Online Gerry Down

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #90 on: June 27, 2021, 04:57:26 PM »
There is no way to know if the protestors weapons were for self defense against antifa or for attack. Antifa more likely. Antifa were at the protest and looking for trouble.

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2021, 07:04:37 PM »
Caro is often highly critical of LBJ.  He is the foremost expert on the topic and has spent decades researching his books.  If there is any "myth" in this context it is JFK's "Camelot."  JFK accomplished very little.  Certainly nothing of importance with Civil Rights.  Rather than the shining prince of white liberal elitist lore, JFK was an entitled lightweight with a well documented record of adultery, drug use, and undisclosed serious medical condition that he lied to the public about while running for office.  More Harvey Weinstein than King Arthur.
Caro says he "detests" and "loathes" LBJ for his appalling behavior and dishonesty. And he documents much of this behavior in his earlier volumes; the horrible mistreatment of "Bird", the dishonesty (LBJ's fellow college friends called him "Lying Lyndon") and more. In fact, Caro says that the LBJ family stopped responding to his requests for interviews because they were angry at his portrayal of LBJ.

My guess is that his next book will document the duplicity and corruption of LBJ during the Vietnam War. Anyone who thinks Caro is mythologizing LBJ hasn't read his books.

LBJ's a difficult man to understand. He was so awful, so mean spirited and deceitful. How could someone like that be so right when it came to civil rights and racial justice? People need to say "He was awful" and all of his work for civil rights was for personal gain. And nothing more. But that's simply not true. Caro shows this. So does Dallek, So do other historians.

People can reject all of this documentation if they want to. Or need to.

As for your JFK comments: in his defense he always was dealing with crises; the historian Richard Reeves called it a "crisis Presidency". Some were his fault, some beyond his control. So he really had little time to deal with his domestic agenda, either civil rights or Medicare or the tax cuts. And it took someone like an LBJ, who knew how to get legislation around the various "fiefdoms" that powerful Congressman held, to push it through.
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2021, 08:57:46 PM »
Would like to see your location under your name.

C'mon, Jerry.. you're not being totally Canadian with your location
Halifax, Nova Scotia > should be > Halifax, Nova Scotia, eh?

I won't go any further than 'Canada, eh?'
Maybe these characters could narrow theirs down to which solar system, at least..
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2021, 05:00:33 AM »


"The governing political party(s) by political
position in each Canadian province." (Wikipedia)

Here's the "socialist utopia" they seem to think Canada is, as shown by provincial  governments (the US equivalent to provinces are states; provinces share co-sovereignty with the federal government). The one "left-wing" province (orange color) is British Columbia, with the NDP who won last year (the last time they previously won a majority government was in 1991).

Of the four major political parties in national politics, three are conservative or have conservative economic policies. The one "left-wing" party usually comes in third and is more a pro-union party. There have been in the past several small extreme-right federal parties, the current one being the People's Party of Canada.

I'm Canadian, btw.. no need to explain to me what provinces are..
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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2021, 03:39:49 PM »
This is a very frightening and disturbing post.  You are arguing that Babbitt's political view somehow justified her killing.  The classic victim blaming.  Imagine if that standard were applied to Floyd.  There were hundreds or thousands who entered the Capitol with similar views.  Her situation was not singular.  She was unarmed.  Again, do you think all the protestors should have been killed that day?  It's a simple question.

This whole thing was like a bank robbery.  But it wasn't for money, honey.  Where was her flack jacket?  She was such a toad.

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Re: Should the TSBD be demolished?
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2021, 04:39:32 PM »
This whole thing was like a bank robbery.  But it wasn't for money, honey.  Where was her flack jacket?  She was such a toad.

You're probably one of those people who supports a woman's right to choose, unless she chooses to be conservative, in which case she should be shot.

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« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2021, 04:39:32 PM »