Who is sitting up in Zapruder @Z456?

[Bill Brown]

"The man to Jackie?s right, still sitting up, is Connally, not Kennedy."

If Connally is to Jackie's right, he would be in the rear seat of the limo.

How and when did Connally get into the rear seat, and how did he get to the right side of the limo, considering that Nellie Connally testified to pulling Connally to the left side of the limo, and not allowing him to sit up when he attempted to do so?

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."

Are YOU part of the coverup?

If Connally is to Jackie's right, he would be in the rear seat of the limo.

That's not a must, when you consider the positions of Jackie, Gov. Connally and Zapruder.

How and when did Connally get into the rear seat, and how did he get to the right side of the limo, considering that Nellie Connally testified to pulling Connally to the left side of the limo, and not allowing him to sit up when he attempted to do so?

What's your point with all of this?  Are you saying that the President is seen sitting up in an upright position moments after a bullet blew half of his brains out of his head?  Elaborate please.

[Bob Prudhomme]

You're not answering my questions, Bill.

[Joe Elliott]

"And as for Kennedy's shoulder look at where Kennedy's body is in relation to the top of the back seat just before the Limo disappears behind the bush."

Ok, we can see where JFK was AS Jackie was climbing out onto the trunk lid, and it seems likely that, after Jackie vacated the rear seat, JFK would have just kept slumping to the left, until he was lying completely across the rear seat.

 

JFK would have slumped over and laid completely across the rear seat with just his head, neck and torso if he was as big as Andre the Giant.

[Joe Elliott]

Sorry, Joe but, as usual, your complete ignorance of anything mechanical is showing through.

The limo was only 78 inches wide. My GMC pickup is just a couple of inches short of being that wide and, judging from photos of the limo, its rear seat started a lot further in from the side of the limo than the rear seat of my pickup does, and the rear seat of my pickup is only 4.5 feet wide. If JFK was 1.5 feet across the hips, and his butt was not right up against the side of the limo, that leaves him less than 3 feet of rear seat to fall onto.

Not much room for Jackie when she got back into the limo.

What did she do with JFK so she could sit down??

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."

Are YOU part of the coverup?

From this picture:

** JFK was pretty far to the left, right up against the side of the door.

** Clearly, if JFK slumps to his left, he won?t cover the entire seat.
It would be possible for Jackie to get back in the seat, while perhaps lifting his head and hold his head in her lap.

Since the man to her right appears to be sitting not next to here but beyond her, that man has to be Connally. And JFK is laying down with his head in her lap. And that is the position they maintained until they got to the hospital.



It is unreasonable that Jackie would lift her husband up so he was sitting upright.

Why would she do that?

[Bob Prudhomme]

From this picture:

** JFK was pretty far to the left, right up against the side of the door.

** Clearly, if JFK slumps to his left, he won?t cover the entire seat.
It would be possible for Jackie to get back in the seat, while perhaps lifting his head and hold his head in her lap.

Since the man to her right appears to be sitting not next to here but beyond her, that man has to be Connally. And JFK is laying down with his head in her lap. And that is the position they maintained until they got to the hospital.



It is unreasonable that Jackie would lift her husband up so he was sitting upright.

Why would she do that?

Simple. She was freaked out and in shock and she was attempting to push the gory mess that was her husband's head as far away from her as she could.

[Bill Brown]

You're not answering my questions, Bill.

No.

You didn't answer mine.

[Bill Brown]

Sorry, Joe but, as usual, your complete ignorance of anything mechanical is showing through.

The limo was only 78 inches wide. My GMC pickup is just a couple of inches short of being that wide and, judging from photos of the limo, its rear seat started a lot further in from the side of the limo than the rear seat of my pickup does, and the rear seat of my pickup is only 4.5 feet wide. If JFK was 1.5 feet across the hips, and his butt was not right up against the side of the limo, that leaves him less than 3 feet of rear seat to fall onto.

Not much room for Jackie when she got back into the limo.

What did she do with JFK so she could sit down??

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the coverup."

Are YOU part of the coverup?

You seem to be unaware that President Kennedy was wearing a back brace that day.  This most likely prevented his upper body from laying completely on the seat as he slumped to the left.

[Bill Brown]

JFK could have easily rotated on his left butt cheek and wound up lying completely on his side on the rear seat.

Explain to us how you think the back brace could have prevented him from falling on his side.

Below is Zapruder frame 367.  This is three seconds after the head shot.  It is very clear (at least it should be) that Kennedy did not end up "completely on his side on the rear seat".  Somehow, the back brace prevented him from falling all the way over onto the seat.  Later Zapruder frames show him in the same position.  Face it, he didn't fall all the way over to his left.