Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Jon Banks]

The act of shooting the President is not a rational one.  There can't be a rational motive for doing so.

So the CIA's attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro were irrational?

I don't condone politically motivated violence or terrorism but political assassinations and terrorism CAN be rationalized if the killer intends to achieve some sort of political End.

I'm not convinced that Oswald had a political motive (assuming for the sake of argument that he acted alone).

If he was motivated by politics, it would still be wrong but not necessarily irrational.

There was something wrong with Oswald as demonstrated in many ways.  His defection to the USSR.  Not normal.  His attempt to kill Walker.  Not normal.  His desire to defect to Cuba and trips to the Cuban Embassy.  Not normal.  Whether he had some type of clinical mental illness can be debated but there is no doubt that he was a very strange guy.

We agree that he was "Odd" and not normal for the times in which he lived.

But political idealism and strange behavior doesn't equate to mental illness.

If he had lived a few years longer, he arguably would've fit in with the New Left movements of the late-1960s/early-1970s.

Of course there are lots of odd people (some of whom frequent this forum) who never commit any violent act.  But Oswald certainly falls within the category of suspect individuals.  The FBI was keeping tabs on him.  His own wife went to check on whether his rifle was still in the garage when she heard of JFK's assassination.  That speaks volumes that his wife was suspicious that he might commit the crime even before the police arrived.  He was the type.  That doesn't make him guilty.  That is what the evidence proves, but Oswald's personality is entirely consistent with being the assassin and nothing about his alleged lack of "motive" casts any doubt on his guilt as was suggested.  That is not a defense of last resort but reality.  Only Oswald can ever explain why he did it but it was no real surprise to anyone who knew him.  He was a lifelong malcontent with a screw loose.

The FBI and CIA kept tabs on him prior to the assassination but there's no evidence that they viewed Oswald as a violent extremist.

J Edgar Hoover and the FBI spied on thousands of Americans from Far-Left activists to members of the KKK. Most of the people the FBI spied on weren't violent extremists.

The reasons for the CIA's interest in Oswald prior to the assassination are less clear and should be investigated further...

[Walt Cakebread]

So the CIA's attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro were irrational?

I don't condone politically motivated violence or terrorism but political assassinations and terrorism CAN be rationalized if the killer intends to achieve some sort of political End.

I'm not convinced that Oswald had a political motive (assuming for the sake of argument that he acted alone).

If he was motivated by politics, it would still be wrong but not necessarily irrational.



We agree that he was "Odd" and not normal for the times in which he lived.

But political idealism and strange behavior doesn't equate to mental illness.

If he had lived a few years longer, he arguably would've fit in with the New Left movements of the late-1960s/early-1970s.


The FBI and CIA kept tabs on him prior to the assassination but there's no evidence that they viewed Oswald as a violent extremist.

J Edgar Hoover and the FBI spied on thousands of Americans from Far-Left activists to members of the KKK. Most of the people the FBI spied on weren't violent extremists.

The reasons for the CIA's interest in Oswald prior to the assassination are less clear and should be investigated further...

The FBI and CIA kept tabs on him prior to the assassination but there's no evidence that they viewed Oswald as a violent extremist.

Less than 2 1/2 hours after JFK was murdered in Dealey Plaza , FBI agent James Hosty told DPD detective, Jack Revlll ..that  A communist named Lee Oswald had killed President Kennedy FBI agent Hosty also told Revill that the FBI was aware of the subject ( LHO) and the FBI had information that the subject was capable of committing the assassination of President Kennedy...

Many LNer's will see no problem with Hosty's statement.....But the most glaring lie is Hosty's statement that Lee Oswald had killed JFK.     At 2:50 pm there had been NO investigation what-so- ever on which Hosty could have based his statement....

There's no doubt that this is true.....  Except

[Jerry Freeman]

'JFK came to Dallas and drove right into Oswald's line of sight'
And Oswald ran right into an abundance of witnesses along his line of flight.

      So that we may see the super duper flash precision timing of "Oswald's Escape" once again--- 12:30...shots fired. 10 minutes and 6 blocks later...He is boarding a bus [snicker]-- 4 minutes and 3 blocks after that, he has entered a taxi and is instantly on his way to Oak Cliff [giggle]-- 6 minutes after that, the cabbie drops him off sundry blocks south of his room [cough] --That gave the murderous assassin 6 minutes to get to his room and grab his pistol [just in case he had to shoot some random cop]   The suspect is then given 15 minutes and the shortest distance possible [maybe] to arrive at the rendezvous point of the Tippit encounter.....Defies logic!  How long was that encounter? Didn't matter. The Report apologists ignore the likelihood of all these events and just merely agree with the original Dallas Police narrative....Oswald is your guy= case closed. Do we see where that theory went?
Ridiculous as it is...that is the theory that went into the history books.
 http://www.mapmanusa.com/cci-killing-kennedy-6.html

[Walt Cakebread]

Day first saw a part of it peeking up on the barrel as the barrel sat in the wooden stock. When Day removed the barrel from the stock, he saw that much more of that same print was underneath the barrel ("Off Underside"). Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

Thank you for posting the pictures of the carcano stock,and barrel.  It's a shame that you couldn't have supported your argument by posting a picture of the INSIDE ( barrel side) of the wooden stock.    Because if you could see the inside of the stock at the bayonet lug then you'd know that there is NOTHING on the barrel that would create what you have pointed out as  "POSSIBLE MARK FROM BAYONET LOCK OR TAPE EDGES"

There is no place on the  inside of the stock or the metal barrel at the foregrip that looks like the photo of the "palm print" (CE 639) on the 3 X 5 Index card.



CE 639 ... The palm print...CE 2003 Volume 24...page 260

It's nice to see that you believe the print was lifted from the bottom side of the WOODEN foregrip, Where the slot for the folded bayonet blade is cut into the wooden foregrip. ( though you attempt to obfuscate that fact by writing "Possible mark from bayonet lock or tape edges"   That slot is clearly visible in the photo (CE 639). and can be measured by scaling the photo (The Card measures 3" X 5")  The bayonet blade slot measures 3/16" across and it extends about 2 1/2 inches to the rear of the Bayonet lug.  It's obvious that the "palm print" lift was lifted off the bottom of WOODEN foregrip.

[Walt Cakebread]

Day first saw a part of it peeking up on the barrel as the barrel sat in the wooden stock. When Day removed the barrel from the stock, he saw that much more of that same print was underneath the barrel ("Off Underside"). Pretty straight forward, if you ask me.

[i"WOODEN FORESTOCK ENDS BEHIND METAL FITTING"[/i]

The "metal fitting" is called the front band ........ It has two screws through it that passes through the bayonet lug and the fore end of the wooden stock, which secures the stock and barrel together. 

The bayonet lug is securely clamped to the metal barrel and the bayonet lug has a  heavy rectangular extension ( 1/4 " across) that extends to the rear of the lug. This extension is bored by toe holes that allow the two screws to tie the barrel and stock together at the foe end.

The POINT behind all of this is; the fact that the slot that is seen in the "palm print photo" (CE 639) is only 3/16 across  while the extension of the bayonet lug is 25% wider  than the bayonet slot.....Thus, the mark on the "palm Print" photo couldn't possibly been created by the bayonet lug.......   

[John Iacoletti]

Shooting the president is not the act of a rational person.  Thus, the lack of any rational motive doesn't raise doubt as to guilt of the assassin.

No, but the lack of any rational evidence does.

[John Iacoletti]

Day's photographs of the trigger-housing prints were confirmed as Oswald's in the 1993 PBS-TV NOVA Frontline program "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?"

BS.  30 years later a guy pulls photos out of a briefcase that he claims are from the alleged rifle and a fingerprint card that he claims are Oswald's prints and gets another guy to give a subjective opinion that they match.  When the guys at the FBI who examined the actual rifle said they could not be matched.

[John Iacoletti]

Doesn't it logically follow from your above observation that the (FBI) clearly had no connection to the Dallas Police in setting up Oswald?

Doesn't it logically flow that Day's little story is inconsistent with the facts?