Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[John Iacoletti]

From the "Findings and conclusions of Vincent J. Scalice" 8HSCA248:

(157) 8. Latent fingerprint recovered from the trigger guard of a 6.5-millimeter, Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, serial no. C2766, processed
at the Dallas Police Department. It is of no value for identification purposes.

[John Iacoletti]

Oswald was diagnosed with Personality Disorder issues, he wasn't diagnosed with any known mental illness.

Any mental health professional will tell you that you can't diagnose personality disorders in children.

[John Iacoletti]

He was the type.

Only to people predisposed to think he was guilty.  How is wanting to go to Cuba "not normal"?

[Walt Cakebread]

So "Rusty" Livingstone of the Dallas Crime Lab was making up trigger-guard-housing photos that showed prints from, what, a rubber-cast of "Lil" Lee's right hand?

I believe that Rusty Livingstone was trying to expose the conspiracy through his nephew, Gary Savage.    Livingston knew that the DPD had fabricated false evidence to incriminate Lee Oswald, but was afraid to expose the bastards ( the thin blue line)

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt ...
What makes you think Day's palm-print card is 3" X 5"?

3' X 5" is the standard size for a file card ( index file card) That system is obsolete and no longer used.....But it was very common back in the sixties....  And I believe There is a WC exhibit that has a ruler next to the card which verifies ....

I never dreamed that anybody would be so ignorant as to ask the size of a index file card.....

[Walt Cakebread]

Can't find it. 

3 X 5 is one of many standard sizes for "index cards".
CE 367 Exhibit if proportioned to index card values ...

		Height Exact		Width Exact
3 X 5		3" - 4 13/16"		5" - 3 1/8"		5% Out
4 X 6		4" - 6 3/8"		6" - 3 3/4"		6% Out
5 X 8		5" - 7.96"		8" - 5.02"		Best Match

The "Best Match" makes the "bayonet slot" groove 1/4".

(I think it's a random card size and maybe bigger than 5 X 8.)

I'm not sure what you're attempting to prove.....

(I think it's a random card size and maybe bigger than 5 X 8.)

So you think the card that Day placed the cellophane tape that held the lifted "palm print was "bigger than 5" X 8."

That's very interesting.....because the edges of the tape that detective Day used to lift prints is clearly visible on CE 639,and can be measured and compared to the width of the card....... so the card would have been 3.5 times larger than the tape.....Or the tape would have been 3.5 times narrower that the width of the card.   If the card was 5X8...Then the tape would have been 1.42 inches wide.....   The width of the tape that Day used was discussed in the hearing ( and I don't recall what the width of the tape was) but I believe the 1.42 inches is close to the width of the tape recorded in the testimony....

So it appears your guess is pretty close ....And the card was indeed 5" X 8"....

 

[Walt Cakebread]

I think it would have to be 1.5"-wide tape, which means the card is odd-sized.

Would you please measure the circumference of the barrel? Could Day have been using 2"-wide tape?

I think it would have to be 1.5"-wide tape, which means the card is odd-sized.

!.5 inch wide tape would have wrapped 3/4 ( 75% ) of the way around the 2.023 inch metal barrel
   

Would you please measure the circumference of the barrel? Could Day have been using 2"-wide tape?

Since the circumference of the barrel is 2.023 inches...( 2 inches)....The diameter is .625 inches....  IOW   2 inch wide tape would have wrapped completely around the metal barrel.    Therefore the tape was probably not 2 inches wide...

How about 1 inch wide tape?.....   Very simple....the barrel is 2 inches in circumference so the 1" tape would wrap half way around the barrel.....   Still not what we see in CE 639......


Now lets try it with the wooden foregrip....which is half round....The bottom portion is round and the diameter is 1.32 inches, which means if there was an upper portion the circumference would be 4.14 inches.....But we can ignore the circumference....and work with the diameter ( 1.32 ") of the round lower portion of the fore grip.....1.32"( Half circumference (4.14")= 2.07 inches)

A one  inch wide tape would wrap about 1/4 way around the wooden forestock ...( 4.14 inch circ) . and this works out very nicely when compared to the photo of the "palm print" as seen in CE 639....

Soooo.....It would appear that the so called palm print was lifted from the WOODEN FOREGRIP of the carcano...

And that is verified by the photo it's self which records the bayonet slot that is cut into the wooden foregrip.

[Walt Cakebread]

Let's see. Two-inch lifting tape would fit, therefore, by your logic, it probably wouldn't?

    "He [Lt. Carl Day] then placed a strip of 2" scotch tape over
     the developed print and rubbed it down before finally lifting
     the tape containing the print off and placed it on a card.
     He said he then compared the lift to Oswald's palm print card
     and was certain that it was Oswald’s."

          — First Day Evidence (1993 book by Gary Savage)

I would think Day would want as much information off that barrel as his most-appropriate-width lifting tape would give him.

The print would be about 3/4" in dimension, whereas Latonia in CE 638 circled an area that's two inches.



But if Carl Day correctly remembered he used two-inch lifting tape, then the linear impression is 1/4" across (too wide for a bayonet slot; just right for the bayonet lock on the underside of the barrel).

Now we're getting to the basics.....

Let's see. Two-inch lifting tape would fit, therefore, by your logic, it probably wouldn't?

The DIAMETER of the barrel is .625 inches....and the CIRCUMFERENCE is 1.96 ( 2 inches) inches....  So the entire distance around the metal barrel is 2 inches....  If you used two inch tape it would go all the way around the barrel ( which is ridiculous) because according to Day the print was on the bottom ( first he said it was on the side of the barrel but he changed his mind about that) the print covered just the area on the width of the tape  ....It sure as hell didn't encircle the entire 2 inch circumference of the barrel.

If you think differently...Then please explain how a human could wrap his palm entirely around a  5/8" (.625") diameter tube.....

"He [Lt. Carl Day] then placed a strip of 2" scotch tape over
     the developed print and rubbed it down before finally lifting
     the tape containing the print off and placed it on a card.

OK ....If Day was using two inch wide tape....then the card would have been 7 inches wide.....because we can see the edges of the tape in the photo of the "palm print" (CE 639) and the card is 3.5 times larger than the tape .....That would make the length of the card 11.5"....Do you believe the card was 7" X 11.5" ??.....


if Carl Day correctly remembered he used two-inch lifting tape, then the linear impression is 1/4" across (too wide for a bayonet slot; just right for the bayonet lock on the underside of the barrel).

Yes, the bayonet slot is actually ( measured) about 3/16 of an inch across....
And the rear extension of the bayonet lug is .331" ( measured) across  ...It is NOT 1/4 inch!.....

But the real kick in the pants for your argument is the FACT that the lug extends down beneath the round metal barrel about 3/8 of an inch   ....This 3/8 would prevent the lifting tape from coming into contact with the metal  barrel.   So that shoots your theory down.......

PS.... I'm truly enjoying this exchange.... Please keep trying.....