Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Charles Collins]

Charles, I'm not askin you to reply to my question..... But I would like you to ask yourself.... 

Does your photo of the tape from your experiment resemble the palm print photo?    Is there even small resemblance ?

And here is a photo of the tape applied to a sheet of printer paper:

Walt, I have stated that it is a crude experiment and that the dimensions of the mock-up are not correct. Your earlier challenge essentially stated that it is impossible to lift a palm print from the area of the barrel where the print was reportedly found. And the reason that you stated was that bayonet lug would prevent the tape from being applied to that area. I have shown how the tape is able to be applied so that both the palm print and the lines can be lifted. That is all that I intended to show. I could make a more accurate mock-up, or use an actual barrel from the correct rifle (if I could find one) and perform the lift. It would then resemble the one that Day lifted, of that I have no doubt.

[Walt Cakebread]

Walt, I have stated that it is a crude experiment and that the dimensions of the mock-up are not correct. Your earlier challenge essentially stated that it is impossible to lift a palm print from the area of the barrel where the print was reportedly found. And the reason that you stated was that bayonet lug would prevent the tape from being applied to that area. I have shown how the tape is able to be applied so that both the palm print and the lines can be lifted. That is all that I intended to show. I could make a more accurate mock-up, or use an actual barrel from the correct rifle (if I could find one) and perform the lift. It would then resemble the one that Day lifted, of that I have no doubt.

To thine self be true......

[Charles Collins]

That’s interesting! Very interesting!

[Charles Collins]

Looking closer at the photo provided by Jerry, I see that the surfaces of the moveable bayonet lug that would contact the underside of the barrel form two parallel lines (see arrows in the photo below. This is due to that smaller radius curved surface of the lug. These parallel line surfaces appear to be somewhat rough to me, although the photo is not really clear enough to show this very well.



It appears to me that the contact between the moveable bayonet lug and the underside of the barrel could create some rough spots on the underside of the barrel (which would be in the form of two parallel lines). When Day needed to apply the tape to the underside of the barrel, all he needed to do was slide the bayonet lug away from the print (towards the muzzle end of the barrel. The rough spots (in the form of two parallel lines) could retain some of the fingerprint powder. And those rough spots would show up on the lift as two parallel lines.

Thank you Jerry, that was some very good detective work and research.

[Charles Collins]

You may be on to something, Charles. Funny we weren't told about the lug being moveable.



This shows the loop feature would have been seen on the barrel of the rifle prior to disassembly.

Nice diagrams Jerry. Yes, I think the mystery of the lines has been solved. Thanks again!

[Bill Chapman]

To thine self be true......

To thine self be true

 

Another high school drop-out
> Try 'to thine own self be true' next time

Lazy buggers. Did any of you lot make it through high school?

[Walt Cakebread]

Nice diagrams Jerry. Yes, I think the mystery of the lines has been solved. Thanks again!

 Day was a complete ignoramus about the carcano.....  He initially referred to it as a "lever action" when any elementary school boy could have informed him that the rifle was a bolt action type rifle.    I seriously doubt that he knew that the bayonet lug was removable.....Just as neither you nor Jerry knew the lug was removable.

So you believe that detective Day tapped the bayonet lug off the barrel when there was no need to do so.   He allegedly  saw the print on the barrel, so what reason would he have to remove the bayonet lug?     

This nonsense just keeps getting sillier and sillier......

[Charles Collins]

Day was a complete ignoramus about the carcano.....  He initially referred to it as a "lever action" when any elementary school boy could have informed him that the rifle was a bolt action type rifle.    I seriously doubt that he knew that the bayonet lug was removable.....Just as neither you nor Jerry knew the lug was removable.

So you believe that detective Day tapped the bayonet lug off the barrel when there was no need to do so.   He allegedly  saw the print on the barrel, so what reason would he have to remove the bayonet lug?     

This nonsense just keeps getting sillier and sillier......

The barrel is tapered and the outside diameter is smaller on the muzzle end. Chances are that Day didn’t need to tap it to move it towards the muzzle end to move it.