Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?

[Walt Cakebread]

Shooting the president is not the act of a rational person.  Thus, the lack of any rational motive doesn't raise doubt as to guilt of the assassin.  And Oswald's motive can only be known to himself.  So it's the old impossible standard of proof trick being applied to raise false doubt.  The evidence confirms that Oswald did it.  Why is something that we have some insight based on what we know about him but just because no one can ever confirm his motive with scientific precision is not the basis for any doubt of his guilt.   I don't believe that Oswald had any personal animosity for JFK.  Rather, JFK was a symbol, as the President, of a system that Oswald detested.  He would have shot Nixon, LBJ, or whomever drove down Elm that day as the President.  Opportunity knocked for a nut job with a penchant for political assassination.

Shooting the president is not the act of a rational person.     

 I agree.......And there are many accounts that reveal that LBJ was not rational.... But there are no accounts that reveal that Lee Oswald was not a rational person.    Question:.... Did Lee stand tall and crow to the whole wide world that he had assassinated President Kennedy?    If he was a nut....and he had shot JFK, .he most certainly would have proclaimed his prowess to the whole wide world.

[Jerry Organ]

Shooting the president is not the act of a rational person.     

 I agree.......And there are many accounts that reveal that LBJ was not rational....

LBJ wasn't on the sixth floor firing a rifle.

But there are no accounts that reveal that Lee Oswald was not a rational person.

There are. You just bundled them into a tidy box with a bright bow on top, and called it a "cover story" for a "mission" into the USSR.

Question:.... Did Lee stand tall and crow to the whole wide world that he had assassinated President Kennedy?    If he was a nut....and he had shot JFK, .he most certainly would have proclaimed his prowess to the whole wide world.

Then where would that leave him? No cause célèbre drama for the not-to-happen trial where he could have showboated (CTish) his "superior" knowledge of photographic technique, forensics, medical science and geopolitics; maybe become a "scholar" in prison. Oswald admitting he shot Kennedy was also admitting he shot Tippit; cop-killers aren't that popular.

Oswald might have admitted to his crimes if he had been seen with the rifle by the NW corner or if he had been apprehended at the scene of the Tippit murder. But things went his way until the theatre. He was on a winning streak; he wasn't going to suddenly drop his hatred of police and authority when he could instead do nothing to help them. He remained true to himself; the fighter and resister.



A lot of people believed this guy's "sincere" proclamations of innocence.

[John Mytton]

Complete and utter BS!......   Most rational people recognize the  murder of President Kennedy as the act of a person who despised him.....     And as Mr M stated.....   LHO did not hate JFK.

And as Mr M stated.....   LHO did not hate JFK.

I stated nothing of the kind, what I said was "Except there is no evidence that Oswald hated Kennedy." We can't possibly know what was going on inside Oswald's head but even if Oswald did hate Kennedy and that's what motivated him, then that alone is not enough to convict Oswald but the mountain of evidence is certainly persuasive. *wink*
This is why you make so many mistakes, you want to fill in the blanks with your own overactive imagination much to the detriment of the point you're trying to make.

JohnM

[Walt Cakebread]

LBJ wasn't on the sixth floor firing a rifle.

There are. You just bundled them into a tidy box with a bright bow on top, and called it a "cover story" for a "mission" into the USSR.

Then where would that leave him? No cause célèbre drama for the not-to-happen trial where he could have showboated (CTish) his "superior" knowledge of photographic technique, forensics, medical science and geopolitics; maybe become a "scholar" in prison. Oswald admitting he shot Kennedy was also admitting he shot Tippit; cop-killers aren't that popular.

Oswald might have admitted to his crimes if he had been seen with the rifle by the NW corner or if he had been apprehended at the scene of the Tippit murder. But things went his way until the theatre. He was on a winning streak; he wasn't going to suddenly drop his hatred of police and authority when he could instead do nothing to help them. He remained true to himself; the fighter and resister.



A lot of people believed this guy's "sincere" proclamations of innocence.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

I stated nothing of the kind, what I said was "Except there is no evidence that Oswald hated Kennedy." We can't possibly know what was going on inside Oswald's head but even if Oswald did hate Kennedy and that's what motivated him, then that alone is not enough to convict Oswald but the mountain of evidence is certainly persuasive. *wink*
This is why you make so many mistakes, you want to fill in the blanks with your own overactive imagination much to the detriment of the point you're trying to make.

JohnM

John, we had this claim - it's the only one that I know of where Oswald allegedly was critical of JFK - from Volkmar Schmidt. This is from the PBS special "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".

NARRATOR: "At a party in February 1963, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt. The two hunkered down by a window to talk politics.

VOLKMAR SCHMIDT: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt's problem re credibility is that he was interviewed shortly after the assassination by the FBI and he said he and Oswald never discussed politics in their discussion. And nowhere in the FBI interview did he mention the above obsession by LHO. His story is simply not credible to me.

On the other hand, it's very odd that if Oswald was pretending to be a Marxist, pretending to be a supporter of Castro's that anti-Kennedy views wouldn't be part of this cover or "legend." In other words, if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views? It makes no sense otherwise. Why pretend to dislike the US and not also pretend to dislike the head of that country?

[Walt Cakebread]

John, we had this claim - it's the only one that I know of where Oswald allegedly was critical of JFK - from Volkmar Schmidt. This is from the PBS special "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".

NARRATOR: "At a party in February 1963, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt. The two hunkered down by a window to talk politics.

VOLKMAR SCHMIDT: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt's problem re credibility is that he was interviewed shortly after the assassination by the FBI and he said he and Oswald never discussed politics in their discussion. And nowhere in the FBI interview did he mention the above obsession by LHO. His story is simply not credible to me.

On the other hand, it's very odd that if Oswald was pretending to be a Marxist, pretending to be a supporter of Castro's that anti-Kennedy views wouldn't be part of this cover or "legend." In other words, if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views? It makes no sense otherwise. Why pretend to dislike the US and not also pretend to dislike the head of that country?

if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views?

Therein lies the problem...... Lee wasn't a marionette .....  I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do.      Lee was freelance and made up and controlled his own "stage plays."     

[John Mytton]

John, we had this claim - it's the only one that I know of where Oswald allegedly was critical of JFK - from Volkmar Schmidt. This is from the PBS special "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?".

NARRATOR: "At a party in February 1963, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt. The two hunkered down by a window to talk politics.

VOLKMAR SCHMIDT: "Lee Harvey Oswald brought up in the conversation with me the fact that he really felt very angry about the support which the Kennedy administration gave to the Bay of Pigs invasion. It turned out that Lee Harvey Oswald really idealized socialism of Cuba, while he was critical of the socialism in the Soviet Union. And he was just obsessed with his anger towards Kennedy."

Schmidt's problem re credibility is that he was interviewed shortly after the assassination by the FBI and he said he and Oswald never discussed politics in their discussion. And nowhere in the FBI interview did he mention the above obsession by LHO. His story is simply not credible to me.

On the other hand, it's very odd that if Oswald was pretending to be a Marxist, pretending to be a supporter of Castro's that anti-Kennedy views wouldn't be part of this cover or "legend." In other words, if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views? It makes no sense otherwise. Why pretend to dislike the US and not also pretend to dislike the head of that country?

Thanks Steve, I think that Oswald's(Hidell) main motivation was his wanting to be accepted as a Marxist and any political leader that spoke ill of Fidel Castro was put on Oswald's hit list, CT's claim that the left Kennedy and the extreme right Walker had no connection but I believe that in Oswald's eyes, what connected Kennedy and Walker was their dislike of the Cuban regime.

Fritz was the one of the last people to spend considerable time with Oswald.

Mr. DULLES. Have you any views of your own as to motive from your talks with him? Did you get any clues as to possible motive in assassinating the President?
Mr. FRITZ. I can only tell you what little I know now. I am sure that we have people in Washington here that can tell far more than I can.
Mr. DULLES. Well, you saw the man and the others didn't see the man.
Mr. FRITZ. I got the impression, I got the impression that he was doing it because of his feeling about the Castro revolution, and I think that he felt, he had a lot of feeling about that revolution.
(At this point the Chief Justice entered the hearing room.)

Mr. FRITZ. I think that was the reason. I noticed another thing. I noticed a little before when Walker was shot, he had come out with some statements about Castro and about Cuba and a lot of things and if you will remember the President had some stories a few weeks before his death about Cuba and about Castro and some things, and I wondered if that didn't have some bearing. I have no way of knowing that other than just watching him and talking to him. I think it was his feeling about his belief in being a Marxist, I think he had--he told me he had debated in New Orleans, and that he tried to get converts to this Fair Play for Cuba organization, so I think that was his motive. I think he was doing it because of that.

Oswald in New Orleans handing out "Hands off Cuba" leaflets





Oswald's "Fair play for Cuba" membership card where he was also the Chapter President.



Three days before Oswald killed Kennedy, there was this newspaper article in the Dallas Times Herald of Kennedy saying that it would be a happy day if the Castro government was ousted.



Oswald's personal possessions had a number of positive Castro literature.



A week after the Dallas Herald Times reported that Walker wanted to  "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba" Oswald ordered his rifle and not long after Oswald took surveillance photos of General Walkers house and a little later Oswald tried to kill General Walker.

In February 1963, Walker joined Billy Hargis on an anti-communist tour named "Operation Midnight Ride".[24] In a speech Walker made on March 5, reported in the Dallas Times Herald, he called on the United States military to "liquidate the [communist] scourge that has descended upon the island of Cuba."[25] Seven days later, Lee Harvey Oswald ordered a Carcano rifle by mail, using the alias "A. Hidell".[26]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker



Do the Math!

JohnM

[Bill Chapman]

if he's told to be a pro-Castro supporter or a Marxist, wouldn't part of that act consist of expressing anti-Kennedy views?

Therein lies the problem...... Lee wasn't a marionette .....  I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do.      Lee was freelance and made up and controlled his own "stage plays."   

'I doubt that anybody dictated to him about what he should or should not do'
> Oswald: 'I'm just a PATSY!'

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