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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #112 on: August 11, 2021, 07:53:08 PM »
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Complete and utter BS!......   Most rational people recognize the  murder of President Kennedy as the act of a person who despised him.....     And as Mr M stated.....   LHO did not hate JFK.

Even if it were a confirmed fact that "LHO did not hate JFK" that means absolutely nothing in terms of his guilt.  The evidence is used to prove guilt.  There is an abundance that links Oswald to this crime.  But again, JFK was also the President of the United States.  Not just a person.  Someone with a axe to grind with the US might take that out on its most prominent representative.  So even if LHO did not "hate" JFK he still had an obvious motive for targeting him because Oswald was a political nut job.   And you cannot discount the fact that the opportunity fell into Oswald's lap.  JFK's motorcade literally drove by his place of work affording him the chance.  Oswald did not "target" JFK in the sense that he had to seek him out as most assassins have to do.  JFK came to Dallas and drove right into Oswald's line of sight.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #113 on: August 11, 2021, 08:45:26 PM »
Even if it were a confirmed fact that "LHO did not hate JFK" that means absolutely nothing in terms of his guilt.  The evidence is used to prove guilt.  There is an abundance that links Oswald to this crime.  But again, JFK was also the President of the United States.  Not just a person.  Someone with a axe to grind with the US might take that out on its most prominent representative.  So even if LHO did not "hate" JFK he still had an obvious motive for targeting him because Oswald was a political nut job.   And you cannot discount the fact that the opportunity fell into Oswald's lap.  JFK's motorcade literally drove by his place of work affording him the chance.  Oswald did not "target" JFK in the sense that he had to seek him out as most assassins have to do.  JFK came to Dallas and drove right into Oswald's line of sight.

'JFK came to Dallas and drove right into Oswald's line of sight'
And Oswald ran right into an abundance of witnesses along his line of flight.

Poetic justice-cum-what-goes-around-comes-around, right there.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #114 on: August 11, 2021, 08:55:40 PM »
Carl Day, Dallas Crime Lab on work done November 22nd ...

    "I took it to the office and tried to bring out the two prints I had seen on
     the side of the gun at the bookstore. They still were rather unclear.
     Due to the roughness of the metal, I photographed them rather than
     try to lift them. I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the
     barrel that extended under the woodstock. I started to take the
     woodstock off and noted traces of a palmprint near the firing end of
     the barrel about 3 inches under the wood-stock when I took the
     woodstock loose."

    "These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent—of the traces of
     prints on the side of the magazine housing of the gun No. C-2766 ...
     They appeared to be the right middle and right ring finger of Harvey Lee
     Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald."

Day's photographs of the trigger-housing prints were confirmed as Oswald's in the 1993 PBS-TV NOVA program "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" (See also: "JFK First Day Evidence" by Gary Savage, p.120 and "Reclaiming History" by Vincent Bugliosi, pp.803-04)




(Yet another example of the exemplary unbiased work contributed by the Dallas Police Department.)


"I took it to the office and tried to bring out the two prints I had seen on
     the side of the gun at the bookstore
.

They still were rather unclear.

Here Day admits that the prints on the side of the MAGAZINE were UNCLEAR
   
 Due to the roughness of the metal, I photographed them rather than
     try to lift them.

I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock.



I started to take the woodstock off and noted traces of a palmprint near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the wood-stock when I took the  woodstock loose."

This is simply Day lying.....  Anybody who is familiar with the carcano knows that there is no such location on the carcano.

Day elaborated about the place he said he found the palmprint when he testified before the WC. He said that he saw the palm print  on the metal barrel and the print extened beneath the wooden stock.  There is no wooden stock three inches back from the muzzle of the rifle. There is a steel bayonet lug about 3 1/2 inches back from the muzzle and that bayonet lug surrounds the barrel.

    "These are prints or pictures, I should say, of the latent—of the traces of
     prints on the side of the magazine housing
of the gun No. C-2766 ...
     They appeared to be the right middle and right ring finger of Harvey Lee
     Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald."

Day is lying again.....  Nobody ever identified "the unclear" partial prints that Day saw on the rifle's magazine .

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #115 on: August 12, 2021, 10:12:30 AM »
Latona (FBI) saw no signs of anyone having even attempted to process the rifle.

Instead of your usual running and obfuscation how about we analyse where this little factoid leads?
Doesn't it logically follow from your above observation that the (FBI) clearly had no connection to the Dallas Police in setting up Oswald?

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #116 on: August 12, 2021, 10:16:59 AM »
When Scalise examined differing contrasted photos he confirmed that Oswald's prints were on the trigger guard of Oswald's rifle.


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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #117 on: August 12, 2021, 04:08:39 PM »
The evidence is used to prove guilt.

Is that why you always come up empty handed?

There is an abundance that links Oswald to this crime.

For close to two weeks you have been trying, and failed, to "link" Oswald to a clipboard -- ROFL

But again, JFK was also the President of the United States.  Not just a person.  Someone with a axe to grind with the US might take that out on its most prominent representative.  So even if LHO did not "hate" JFK he still had an obvious motive for targeting him because Oswald was a political nut job.   And you cannot discount the fact that the opportunity fell into Oswald's lap.  JFK's motorcade literally drove by his place of work affording him the chance.  Oswald did not "target" JFK in the sense that he had to seek him out as most assassins have to do.  JFK came to Dallas and drove right into Oswald's line of sight.

As usual, your psycho-babble goes nowhere, awesome!

Typical Otto rebuttal.  It contains the usual personal insult, deflection from the issue under discussion (with no relevance to that issue), no substance, and adds nothing to the discussion.

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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #118 on: August 12, 2021, 05:21:17 PM »
It was only with digital technology that the print photos could be seen under varying contrasts to bring out the detail. Now the process didn't add detail and combining the same print from one photo to another is a perfectly legitimate way of evaluating prints in photographs.

Day said the print was three inches from the forward end of the wooden fore-stock, not three inches from the muzzle. Above that area of the fore-stock, half of the metal barrel remains exposed. That's where the hardworking and sharp-eyed Day saw part of the palm print exposed. ("I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock.")



I have no trouble reconciling where Day found the barrel print.

Even on the day of the assassination, Day thought there was information (but not enough for a legal-standard "match") to tentatively link the prints to those of 'Lil' Lee. Years later, in the PBS-Frontline program, Day's tentative work on the trigger-guard housing fingerprints was re-examined by one of the nation's most prominent Latent Print Examiners, who said they matched positively to Oswald's.

    "As a result of an exacting and detailed examination and comparison under
     varying degrees of magnification and illumination, I have reached the
     conclusion that the developed latent prints are the fingerprints of Lee
     Harvey Oswald's right middle finger (#3) and right ring finger (#4) as
     they appear on the inked fingerprint card [JFK Exhibit F-400 of the HSCA]."


on the day of the assassination, Day thought there was information (but not enough for a legal-standard "match") to tentatively link the prints to those of 'Lil' Lee.

Then please explain how it was possible for Henty Wade on 11- 22-63 to stand in front of reporters and boldly  announce that they had found Lee Oswald's prints on the rifle.  ????

This bold lie from Henry Wade was probably the KEY lie that caused the public to start believing that Lee Oswald was guilty.


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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
« Reply #119 on: August 12, 2021, 05:41:29 PM »
Latona (FBI) saw no signs of anyone having even attempted to process the rifle.

Day's prints are utter and total BS.

Your "reconciling" should come as no surprise.


I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock. I started to take the     woodstock off and noted traces of a palmprint near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the wood-stock when I took the  woodstock loose."...DPD detective JC Day



Here are the measurements of that area of the carcano.....

A)  11" from  firing end of the barrel ( muzzle) to the front barrel band

B) 6 1/4" ( not 3 ") to the from the muzzle to the  front of the wooden stock

C)  10 inches from the Muzzle to the front of the upper wooden hand guard

The is the only place where detective Day's description of the place he claimed he had found the "palm print" that is is even remotely similar to Day's description......It's the only place that the wooden stock and the metal barrel join where a human hand could deposit a print......( Day said he saw the print on the metal barrel and it extended back beneath the wooden stock.

Day was simply conjuring up an image of a rifle ......   when he was creating the lie.

LOOK at the photo of the carcano and try to reconcile a location that fits the description that Day invented.

I could also see a trace of a print on the side of the barrel that extended under the woodstock. I started to take the     woodstock off and noted traces of a palmprint near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the wood-stock when I took the  woodstock loose."...DPD detective JC Day
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Re: Ct's firstly ask yourself, where does my theory go?
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