Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?

[Richard Smith]

Let's see.  Kaiser made the clipboard.  His name is on it.  He works there and knows that Oswald uses it.  But there is no evidence that it belongs to Oswald?  HA HA HA.  Unreal.  The old, tired, lazy impossible standard of proof.  But what is the alternative story to be derived from this attempt to create doubt this being Oswald's clipboard?  That Kaiser made all this up?  Why?  Is he part of the conspiracy?  And his role is to link Oswald to a clipboard that CTers argue has no probative value?  There is no doubt that Oswald worked in the building on 11.22.  There is no doubt that he was on the 6th floor during points that day.  Why create a story about the clipboard to put him on the 6th floor when we already know he was there that day?  It's idiotic and unnecessary.

[Bill Chapman]

OTOH, conspirators who wanted to frame Oswald would have left it right by the window.

And then driven him to his death

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Never mind the shadows, these two photos show the stacks where the rifle was found:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth338849/?q=school%20depository

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Note orientation of pallets (What Weitzman call a 'flat'), he could not have looked under (or rather through) and seen the rifle the way they sit under the stacks:

I (Seymour Weitzman)was on the floor looking under the flat at the same time he was looking on the top side and we saw the gun, I would say, simultaneously and I said, "There it is" and he started hollering,

I WAS LOOKING UNDER THE FLAT ( PALLET),,,Seymour Weizman....   

Can there be any doubt that Weitzman was NOT describing the Rifle as it is seen in the DPD fake in situ photo?

[Walt Cakebread]

Not a "guess" if there are in situ photographs attested to by Weitzman, Boone and Studebaker.

I think we know who's confused and who screwed up.



It's pretty hard to imagine Weitzman contorting himself to look through openings in the wooden pallets.

Weitzman later says "I was behind this section of books" which probably means he was merely squatting and looking as far as he comfortably could into the wooden pallets and the gaps between the cartons. Maybe he was to the south of the pallets and looked between the gap between Groups "B" and "C" and saw the rifle, where the Crime Lab photographs show it to be.

Why would we disregard where they put the arrow? Because it confirms the rifle location was as it was in the Crime Lab photos?

BTW, what is "looking under the flat"? I can't find any definition of "flat" that says it's a wooden pallet.

referring to the "LOOKING WEST " photo .......The south edge ( left side in photo) of the vertical support post is 13 feet from the interior side of the north wall .

Robert Studebaker and other DPD detectives measured the distance from the north wall to the place where Weitzman saw the rifle on the floor beneath the wooden pallet.  Stubaker recorded that distance as 15 ' 4"  ( 2 foot 4 inches south of that vertical post).....

The official in situ photo presented by the DPD show the rifle is NOT beneath the pallet and it is  jammed between boxes of books... and it is about 14 feet from the north wall.

[Walt Cakebread]

One post--the one in question, between the west wall and west service elevator--has its south side13 feet from the north wall. All the rest of the posts to the east of this one post shows the posts centered on 13 feet. So are we going to take your word for one post being out of alignment with all the other posts? Maybe somebody should contact the Museum to measure the distance?



The interior column on the west wall is centered on 13 feet. So a few feet for the row of boxes that were to the north of the rifle in the Crime Lab photos. The north side of Pallet Group "A" must be some five feet south of the pillar, or about 18-19 feet from the north wall.

I can't believe that Uh-ho Beck and you believe the rifle was beneath the pallet and that Weitzman was literally lying on the floor with his face on that dirty oily floor. Do you both also believe that Boone, Weitzman and Studebaker lied that the rifle location was undisturbed before the taking of the in situ photos?

Jerry LOOK at Srubakers plat ......ALL of the support posts are at the same distance from the north wall.... ( naturally.....They support the E/W ceiling beam )

Count the number of squares from the north wall to the south side of the support posts....There are 13  squares.....each square  represents one foot...very imple....    The south side of the post was 13 feet from the north wall ....     The DPD in situ photo shows the rifle jammed between boxes .....the south side of the box is a little less than 14 feet from the north wall....and Studebaker and others measured the distance from that north wall to the rifle at 15' 4".....

[Walt Cakebread]

The pallets were made from wood. Wooden flats are a type of sandal or seedling bed. I think Weitzman was referring to a collection of the same item when he said "flat", so it would be one of the three separate pallet groups.

What Weitzman said is not clearcut, and he later said "I was behind this section of books", not laying face to the floor. Meanwhile, you have Boone, Weitzman and Studebaker lying under oath when they said the Crime Lab photographs show the Carcano in situ.

Are you claiming the Sheriff's Office planted the rifle? No, so far you lack the courage of your convictions. The police had found the shells and there was no report of a man found in or near-to the building with a rifle. Just standard police investigative procedure.

I think he means all the officers on that floor had walked by the location when they arrived. The rifle was fully hidden from anyone at the stairway entrance who arrived from below.

Sure, easy to see if I'm elevated and south of the row of boxes.



Can you see the rifle as you leave the stairwell and walk by the row of boxes?

Cherry-pick.

   Mr. BALL. Do you have any pictures of the boxes before they were moved other than those you have showed me?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. Just these two.
   Mr. BALL. Just the two that show the cartons, and those are Exhibits A and B?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. We have probably got one down there I can get you that is a lot better print than that. If you want a better print, I can get it for you.
   Mr. BALL. Then, you don't have any pictures taken of the boxes before they were moved?
   Mr. STUDEBAKER. No.

And it doesn't apply to the NW corner cartons.

Are you claiming the Sheriff's Office planted the rifle?

I believe if you'll do a little research, you'll find that it was DPD Captain Fritz who was in charge.....And it was Capt Fritz who said " Keep looking,  I want that rifle and it has to be here somewhere"....    Fritz KNEW the rifle was there.....He knew the plot to murder JFK and frame the little commie rat who had defected to Russia a few years prior to Nov 63.  Fritz knew the rifle was behind the box with the huge asterisk scrawled on it at the top of the stairs.....

[Richard Smith]

Where did I say there was?

Let's see.   You posted the following on this thread:

"Did you know there are different accounts of how the clipboard was recovered?"

When it is noted in response that there were not different accounts of how the clipboard was recovered you responded:  "Where did I say there was?" 

Amazing.

[Bill Chapman]

Are you claiming the Sheriff's Office planted the rifle?

I believe if you'll do a little research, you'll find that it was DPD Captain Fritz who was in charge.....And it was Capt Fritz who said " Keep looking,  I want that rifle and it has to be here somewhere"....    Fritz KNEW the rifle was there.....He knew the plot to murder JFK and frame the little commie rat who had defected to Russia a few years prior to Nov 63.  Fritz knew the rifle was behind the box with the huge asterisk scrawled on it at the top of the stairs.....

 

If Fritz knew where the rifle was, then why didn't he simply go and get it instead of running back and forth from floor to floor — as he stated in testimony.

Maybe he just didn't get the memo from your plotters..

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BONUS EDIT for
OSWALD ARSE
KISSERS 
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Maybe an asterisk
should be placed on
your forehead along
with the lengthy list
of your fabrications.