Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?

[Richard Smith]

Question for you Smart guy......  Has it been established that nobody other than Lee Oswald could have placed that clipboard where it was found.      IOW.....  Do you have solid PROOF that Lee Oswald was the only person  who could have placed that clip board there??

The old impossible standard of proof.  Absent a time machine, we couldn't prove any fact in human history if the standard is that we must somehow exclude EVERY other alternative possibility.  No matter how baseless or unsupported by facts and common sense.  You couldn't prove that Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address if someone could raise doubt just by suggesting that it was possible that someone dressed up like Lincoln and delivered the speech.  It's possible after all.  No one can disprove it with absolute 100% certainty.  There is zero evidence that this happened and lots of evidence and common sense that lends itself to it not happening, but it still could have.  That is the standard you are applying here.  It's very silly but explains a great deal about why you are a CTer.

[Bill Chapman]

If you're an Oswald arse-kisser and/or a high school drop-out, you might be a redneck.

[Walt Cakebread]

The old impossible standard of proof.  Absent a time machine, we couldn't prove any fact in human history if the standard is that we must somehow exclude EVERY other alternative possibility.  No matter how baseless or unsupported by facts and common sense.  You couldn't prove that Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg address if someone could raise doubt just by suggesting that it was possible that someone dressed up like Lincoln and delivered the speech.  It's possible after all.  No one can disprove it with absolute 100% certainty.  There is zero evidence that this happened and lots of evidence and common sense that lends itself to it not happening, but it still could have.  That is the standard you are applying here.  It's very silly but explains a great deal about why you are a CTer.

Impossible standard??     Simply because some person swears that he's been to the moon and has a rock  from the surface of the moon to prove it ....   Does not make his tale true.     Simply because Mr Kaiser said that the clip board was his, and Lee Oswald had used it does not constitute proof that Lee had been using it on 11/22/63....

[Walt Cakebread]

You need to look at all the northernmost line of columns on the Studebaker Map. Except for one slightly misplaced, they are all centered on 13'. So do we go with the only one that's slightly misplaced?

Funny. There's a whole row of boxes whose north end is south of the south face of the column. As explained, a few boxes jut to the south and the row overall progressively goes southward as it extends to the west.

Looking west

Exhibit marked by officer pointing to rifle location

Looking east (Rifle discovery opening out of frame to camera-right)

The Crime Lab in situ photo shows the Carcano on the floor against the south face of that row of book cartons. It's perfectly in agreement with the measurement on Studebaker's map, and the other Crime Lab photos showing the row of boxes at the south face of the column (from there, the photo shows the row going southward even more). The only thing wrong is what you latched on to, the slightly-misplaced column that's on the map.

You need to look at all the northernmost line of columns on the Studebaker Map. Except for one slightly misplaced, they are all centered on 13'. So do we go with the only one that's slightly misplaced?

Are you serious???...... Are you placing you faith on the fact that the map is more accurate than the actual construction??  Have you ever built any structure?     Can yo place the vertical studs in a wall any place you want?    Buidling code require that the studs be placed on 16 inch centers.....Do you believe that  you can place them anywhere from 14 to 18 inches??

If you believe that column is out of place ....wouldn't it be only half supporting the horizontal ceiling beam??

[Jerry Organ]

You need to look at all the northernmost line of columns on the Studebaker Map. Except for one slightly misplaced, they are all centered on 13'. So do we go with the only one that's slightly misplaced?

Are you serious???...... Are you placing you faith on the fact that the map is more accurate than the actual construction??

So you've been down to Dallas and physically measured the distance by yourself? Should have said so earlier.

Have you ever built any structure?     Can yo place the vertical studs in a wall any place you want?    Buidling code require that the studs be placed on 16 inch centers.....Do you believe that  you can place them anywhere from 14 to 18 inches??

If you believe that column is out of place ....wouldn't it be only half supporting the horizontal ceiling beam??

Well fortunately Studebaker's map shows the other five columns centered (from the north wall) on 13', and thus solidly supporting the beam. It would appear the innermost columns were on a 14' grid; the distance changing only with regard to those columns facing the brick wall of the building shell.

[Richard Smith]

Impossible standard??     Simply because some person swears that he's been to the moon and has a rock  from the surface of the moon to prove it ....   Does not make his tale true.     Simply because Mr Kaiser said that the clip board was his, and Lee Oswald had used it does not constitute proof that Lee had been using it on 11/22/63....

It does, however, provide a very good basis for reaching that conclusion.  Also factor in that no one else who had access to the floor (co-workers) ever came forward and said that they had used that clipboard and placed it there.  You can believe anything that you want, but the totality of facts, common sense, and evidence lends itself to Oswald using this clipboard on 11.22 and leaving in that location.   Also keep in mind that it had invoices dated 11.22 on it.  Kaiser was not at work that day.  So someone used that clipboard on 11.22 to fill book orders.  That narrows the list down considerably.  And Oswald was in the building and known to use that clipboard.  It allows us to make a reasonable inference.   

[Walt Cakebread]

It does, however, provide a very good basis for reaching that conclusion.  Also factor in that no one else who had access to the floor (co-workers) ever came forward and said that they had used that clipboard and placed it there.  You can believe anything that you want, but the totality of facts, common sense, and evidence lends itself to Oswald using this clipboard on 11.22 and leaving in that location.   Also keep in mind that it had invoices dated 11.22 on it.  Kaiser was not at work that day.  So someone used that clipboard on 11.22 to fill book orders.  That narrows the list down considerably.  And Oswald was in the building and known to use that clipboard.  It allows us to make a reasonable inference.

It ( Kaiser's tale) does, however, provide a very good basis for reaching that conclusion.


That's true, only if you're very gullible.     Because there isn't one iota of solid provable FACT in Kaiser's story.   

But even if Kaiser is totally candid and honest his tale doesn't in any way implicate Lee Oswald in the murder of JFK.

[Jerry Organ]

It ( Kaiser's tale) does, however, provide a very good basis for reaching that conclusion.


That's true, only if you're very gullible.     Because there isn't one iota of solid provable FACT in Kaiser's story.   

But even if Kaiser is totally candid and honest his tale doesn't in any way implicate Lee Oswald in the murder of JFK.

It could mean Oswald was not all that busy filling orders that morning. Maybe dry-practicing with his rifle.