Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?

[Walt Cakebread]

Is it just coincidental that the only boxes in the wall of boxes that are open with flaps up and much of the contents of the boxes removed, are the 3 boxes exactly where the rifle is laying on the floor?

are the 3 boxes exactly where the rifle is laying on the floor?

First Off you're right the rifle was lying on the floor it was NOT jammed between boxes of books as the DPD in situ photo depicts it....

And secondly.... the south side three boxes were about a foot north of the place where Boone and Weitzman spotted the rifle beneath the wooden pallet...

[John Mytton]

Did anyone at Baylor Dental College corroborate his story? 

Unbelievable, here we go, down, down, down, deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole and then next you will claim that the people at the Dental College lied then you will want Kaiser's dental records then you will demand photos to prove that he was there, then you will want his fingerprints proving he was there, then you will claim the photos were faked and the prints are not reliable and on and on it goes. Yawn!

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Let us ponder the bizarre claim that there is somehow doubt as to whether Kaiser was working at the TSBD on 11.22.  Kaiser was asked by the WC whether he was at work on 11.22.  He confirmed that he was not there on 11.21 or 22.  He indicates that he was at another location the "Baylor Dental College" where he was undergoing treatment for a dental issue.  He volunteers that he watched JFK coverage with others in the lobby of the college.  So first we have to believe that Kaiser is lying about this point for some inexplicable reason and that he is not concerned that those who were present at the dental college would contradict his story.  Why he would lie about this is left to our imagination.  Now we also have to believe that he was lucky enough not to be seen in any pictures from that day at the TSBD, or that any of his coworkers would contradict his public testimony of not being there, and his name would not show up on any of the police reports or interviews of TSBD employees that were there that day.  Remarkable luck!  And all this risk and lying just to confirm that he found a clipboard!  HA HA HA.  You can't make that up.  But we are told that the issue is somehow in doubt.  It's possible.  If Kaiser is playing some nefarious role to frame Oswald and was present on 11.22, why doesn't provide something more incriminating than he found his clipboard some days later?  I'm sure an answer is forthcoming.  Right?

I'm sure an answer is forthcoming.  Right?

Well we know the answer to that, but watching Roger jump through so many hoops and ignoring the basic logic of where his fruitless accusations lead is very entertaining.



JohnM

[Ross Lidell]

Yes!

and

No!

[Walt Cakebread]

Looking east; Carcano found on floor camera-left of box on floor that centered in frame.



One foot south (south is camera-right) of the south side of the three open boxes (camera-left) happens to be about one foot north of the pallet.

It's actually the open area where Day and Fritz were able to stand while they looked at the rifle.

td] Looking east: Row of boxes were completely to south of pillar.		Day was to the south of the row of boxes (facing north having just picked up the rifle)
Looking east: Row of boxes were completely to south of pillar.		Day was to the south of the row of boxes (facing north having just picked up the rifle)

Zeon Mason asked:...."Is it just coincidental that the only boxes in the wall of boxes that are open with flaps up and much of the contents of the boxes removed, are the 3 boxes exactly where the rifle is laying on the floor?"

Zeon, This is like those games where are viewer is asked to find the differences in the pictures....Organ would like you to believe that all the photos are authentic photos of the scene where the rifle was found ......  Some of the photos are of the reconstructed scene and they are very much alike ....BUT NOT IDENTICAL.   Which means the DPD introduced the fakes to trick the unware ....For example...Look at the photo that has the number 91-001/ 072. and compare the "BOOKS"stamping on the boxes .  Mr Organ has placed a photo of detective Day holding the rifle next to that 91-001/072 photo for easy comparison.....Notice that the stamping are neatly aligned vertically in the photo of Day holding the carcano, but in the photo 91-001/072 the stampings are not aligned....  Photo 91-001 /072 is of the reconstructed scene....and the boxes were misaligned...  Minor detail??   Sure but it proves that Organs claim ( "looking south row of boxes were completely to the south of the pillar") is BS......Organ's statement appears to be true ...BUT ....It's a photo of the reconstructed scene.....

Looking at the photos:... try reconciling the statements of Boone and Weitzman with the scenes in the photos.  Would Boone and Weitzman have needed powerful flashlights if the rifle had bee jammed between the boxes as depicted in the DPD in situ photo?   And would Weitzman have been able to see the rifle as depicted in the DPD in situ photo with his cheek on the floor while looking under the wooden pallet?  And THAT is where Weitzman swore that he spotted the rifle...ON THE FLOOR BENEATH THE WOODEN PALLET.

[Walt Cakebread]

Stephen Colbert is funny. Although Liberals aren't supposed to have a sense of humor. 

Some folks Think Colbert is funny.....  But then some folks think that a dog with a sky rocket tied to his tail is funny...

[Zeon Mason]

IMO, it seems we are left to theorize about what the original configuration of the 2 rows of boxes at the moment that Oswald allegedly was able to simply“drop” the rifle between. And to ponder why the 3 boxes at that part of the front row just where that rifle was discovered by Boone& Weitzman, had been opened , flaps up and contents partially removed. And IF they were overhanging the gap or not.

What’s particularly  confusing a more recent interview by Boone before his death, where Boone seems to have altered and or added new details to his original WC testimony.

From that l interview :

1. Boone tells the interviewer that Oswald was encountered by Baker In the stairwell on the 4th floor? HUH??
2. Boone is  asked about how many shots he heard and the spacing of the shots. Boone replicates the spacing in about 4 seconds just like Harold Norman did. Then Boone curiously immediately negates this boom... boom boom spread by stating the shots were 8.3 seconds apart? HUH???
3. Boone states that he talked to Lee Bowers, the tower operator just minutes after the shooting, and that Bowers stated he did not see anything nor heard any shots. HUH???
4. Finally, Boone tells the interviewer about the  boxes where the rifle was found, that the overhanging boxes were NOT originally overhanging but were moved after the discovery of the rifle.
HUH???




 

[Walt Cakebread]

IMO, it seems we are left to theorize about what the original configuration of the 2 rows of boxes at the moment that Oswald allegedly was able to simply“drop” the rifle between. And to ponder why the 3 boxes at that part of the front row just where that rifle was discovered by Boone& Weitzman, had been opened , flaps up and contents partially removed. And IF they were overhanging the gap or not.

What’s particularly  confusing a more recent interview by Boone before his death, where Boone seems to have altered and or added new details to his original WC testimony.

From that l interview :



1. Boone tells the interviewer that Oswald was encountered by Baker In the stairwell on the 4th floor? HUH??
2. Boone is  asked about how many shots he heard and the spacing of the shots. Boone replicates the spacing in about 4 seconds just like Harold Norman did. Then Boone curiously immediately negates this boom... boom boom spread by stating the shots were 8.3 seconds apart? HUH???
3. Boone states that he talked to Lee Bowers, the tower operator just minutes after the shooting, and that Bowers stated he did not see anything nor heard any shots. HUH???
4. Finally, Boone tells the interviewer about the  boxes where the rifle was found, that the overhanging boxes were NOT originally overhanging but were moved after the discovery of the rifle.
HUH???

"we are left to theorize about what the original configuration of the 2 rows of boxes at the moment that Oswald allegedly was able to simply“drop” the rifle between. And to ponder why the 3 boxes at that part of the front row just where that rifle was discovered by Boone& Weitzman, had been opened , flaps up and contents partially removed. And IF they were overhanging the gap or not."

we are left to theorize about what the original configuration of the 2 rows of boxes at the moment that Oswald allegedly was able to simply “drop” the rifle between.  Lee DID NOT simply "drop" the rifle into the place the DPD in situ photo depicts it to be....   The rifle was NOT found jammed between the boxes....    It had been carefully hidden beneath the pallet where Seymour Weitzman said he saw it while he was down on the floor and shining his flashllght  beneath the pallet. Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to where the rifle lay on the floor and recorded that distance as 15' 4"

The site where the rifle is depicted in the in situ photo is NOT 15' 4" from the north wall!

You have raised another interesting point.....If the flaps of the boxes were extended as seen in the police photos, hoe could a fleeing sniper have placed the rifle between the boxes

And to ponder why the 3 boxes at that part of the front row just where that rifle was discovered by Boone& Weitzman, had been opened , flaps up and contents partially removed. And IF they were overhanging the gap or not.