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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #152 on: September 02, 2021, 07:04:46 PM »
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If Norman described it as "BOOM-clack-clack, BOOM-clack-clack, BOOM-clack-clack", then it only means the first round had already been chambered before Norman was aware of that there was a rifle above his head, or before he was in a position to hear it.

If Norman hadn't been fantasizing about what he claimed that he had heard.....He should have heard

 BOOM---CLACK--- ( bolt opening)--- PING--- ( shell hitting the floor)--- CLACK ( bolt closing )---BOOM

FIVE separate and distinct sounds......

That would have been the sounds of the first two shots.......However , all of the witnesses said that the third shot followed the second without delay....   

Mr Norman was lying....He never heard any such noises.....

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #153 on: September 04, 2021, 12:15:10 AM »
I have found over the years that tapping more/faster gets better results than hitting harder. Especially with things like roll pins, which are of course held in place by friction. And the direction of the applied force is often critically important. In short, the physical reality is far less predictable than you'd like us to believe.

Actually Mr "Smith" I don't give a FF what you believe.    You clearly are not a very intelligent or rational thinker.   

It should be obvious to you that the clip was not held securely in the carcano, because anybody who doesn't have their head stuck can look at the various photos of Day handling the rifle and see that the clip was working it's way out of the magazine in spite of the fact that the rifle was never in a position that would allow gravity to take effect .... ( the ejection port was not down toward the ground,) but in spite of this the clip still had managed to work it's way out of the magazine.

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #154 on: September 04, 2021, 07:42:50 PM »
If Norman hadn't been fantasizing about what he claimed that he had heard.....He should have heard

 BOOM---CLACK--- ( bolt opening)--- PING--- ( shell hitting the floor)--- CLACK ( bolt closing )---BOOM

FIVE separate and distinct sounds......

That would have been the sounds of the first two shots.......However , all of the witnesses said that the third shot followed the second without delay....   

Mr Norman was lying....He never heard any such noises.....
The shells probably hit the boxes along the sniper's nest before they hit the floor, and that's going to make a more of a "thwack."  Anyway, based on my not-inconsiderable experience at gun ranges, empty shells don't really make a "ping" sound when they land on a hard surface. It's more of a skittering sound, for lack of a better term. That's because they tumble and roll when they hit the floor.

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #155 on: September 04, 2021, 07:57:47 PM »
The shells probably hit the boxes along the sniper's nest before they hit the floor, and that's going to make a more of a "thwack."  Anyway, based on my not-inconsiderable experience at gun ranges, empty shells don't really make a "ping" sound when they land on a hard surface. It's more of a skittering sound, for lack of a better term. That's because they tumble and roll when they hit the floor.

I simply selected the word "ping" to demonstrate that the shells would have made a noise when they dropped onto the floor, You can use any word you like .... ( aside from a loud crash)

I had hoped that an alert and astute researcher would have rebutted me, by saying that Norman testified that he had heard the shells hitting the floor above his head....   If that was the truth....Then why didn't he include the sound of the shells hitting the floor when he spouted the BOOM   Clack ....clack....BOOM     Bull stuff?
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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #156 on: September 05, 2021, 05:11:00 AM »
I simple selected the word "ping" to demonstrate that the shells would have made a noise when they dropped onto the floor, You can use any word you like .... ( aside from a loud crash)

I had hoped that an alert and astute researcher would have rebutted me, by saying that Norman testified that he had heard the shells hitting the floor above his head....   If that was the truth....Then why didn't he include the sound of the shells hitting the floor when he spouted the BOOM   Clack ....clack....BOOM     Bull stuff?
Yeah, you selected a very specific term to describe the sound to describe some generic noise that the shell would make. Because you're the resident forum firearms expert.  ;)

And...so you now admit that Norman had described hearing what he believed were the cases hitting the floor in December '63.


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Re: Does Hiding a Rifle You Plan On Leaving Anyway Really Make Sense?
« Reply #156 on: September 05, 2021, 05:11:00 AM »