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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #344 on: September 19, 2021, 11:15:06 PM »
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Prove Mr Frazier was at any such roll call!  Thumb1:

C'mon Ford.... If Frazier hadn't been there for roll call he would have been reported as missing just Like Lee was reported missing.

You may recall that he DPD tried to railroad BWF as an accessory.....If he hadn't been there for roll call  he'd have been held in the cross bar hotel instead of being released that night.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #345 on: September 20, 2021, 01:00:15 AM »
C'mon Ford.... If Frazier hadn't been there for roll call he would have been reported as missing just Like Lee was reported missing.

You may recall that he DPD tried to railroad BWF as an accessory.....If he hadn't been there for roll call  he'd have been held in the cross bar hotel instead of being released that night.
The "Roll Call" was just another invention. It was devised to make an absentee Oswald a fugitive on the run----
I feel sorry for the gullible who accept the Report as the word of God and believe that the DPD was honest and straightforward and would never lie to cover up their blunders and complicity.
http://www.prayer-man.com/the-roll-call-inside-the-tsbd-never-happened/
Show where Roy Truly testified as to any roll call.


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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #346 on: September 20, 2021, 02:06:26 AM »
The "Roll Call" was just another invention. It was devised to make an absentee Oswald a fugitive on the run----
I feel sorry for the gullible who accept the Report as the word of God and believe that the DPD was honest and straightforward and would never lie to cover up their blunders and complicity.
http://www.prayer-man.com/the-roll-call-inside-the-tsbd-never-happened/
Show where Roy Truly testified as to any roll call.

LOL.  Roll call or no roll call, Oswald was on the run.  He took his "full coke" and made like OJ.  He is gone in minutes.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #346 on: September 20, 2021, 02:06:26 AM »


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #347 on: September 20, 2021, 03:37:48 AM »
  Roll call or no roll call...
Admission that you possibly read that link [though I doubt it] and admit that this roll call was an actual fabrication.
But then you must have learned that here-----
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,625.msg12544.html#msg12544

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #348 on: September 20, 2021, 09:10:20 AM »
C'mon Ford.... If Frazier hadn't been there for roll call he would have been reported as missing just Like Lee was reported missing.

Perhaps he was noted as missing. Perhaps several people were. And perhaps Mr Truly reported several people, including Mr Frazier, as missing to police. After Mr Oswald was taken in, only his 'missing' status was talked about

Mr Kent Biffle, Dallas Morning News 1982:

The building superintendent showed up with some papers in his hand. I listened as he told detectives about Lee Oswald failing to show up at a roll call. My impression is there was an earlier roll call but it was inconclusive inasmuch as several employees were missing. This time, however, all were accounted for but Oswald.

Perhaps Mr Frazier had asked Mr Shelley/Mr Truly for permission to leave (to visit his stepfather who was in hospital after suffering a heart attack?). In which case he would have been later noted as absent but accounted for

And let's not forget what DPD were telling press the day of the assassination: Mr Oswald was seen leaving the Depository shortly after the assassination. Why was this line changed? Because it involved the fact that the Baker-Truly-Oswald encounter had happened right at the front door! The 'Oswald Noticed Uniquely Missing At ~1pm Roll Call' story supplanted the real reason they knew Mr Oswald had left

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You may recall that he DPD tried to railroad BWF as an accessory.....If he hadn't been there for roll call  he'd have been held in the cross bar hotel instead of being released that night.

If you think DPD were remotely interested in actually charging anyone as Mr Oswald's accessory you're being dreadfully naive. Their brief was to pin this on Mr Oswald and Mr Oswald alone. They threatened Mr Frazier IMO with a conspiracy charge in order to pressurize him into NOT going on the record with information that would destroy the case against Mr Oswald
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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #348 on: September 20, 2021, 09:10:20 AM »


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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #349 on: September 20, 2021, 09:27:55 AM »
The "Roll Call" was just another invention. It was devised to make an absentee Oswald a fugitive on the run----
I feel sorry for the gullible who accept the Report as the word of God and believe that the DPD was honest and straightforward and would never lie to cover up their blunders and complicity.
http://www.prayer-man.com/the-roll-call-inside-the-tsbd-never-happened/
Show where Roy Truly testified as to any roll call.

Just another invention??

Everything is an invention or a hoax. It's all a bit silly.
I read the article and, knowing how genuinely crazy most of the CT community is, was not very surprised by the Kent Biffle interview:

". . . only two of us [reporters] had arrived at the ambush building [ the Depository] by this point. . . . Getting in was no problem. I just hid my press badge . . . and went in with the first wave of cops. . . . Hours dragged by. The building superintendent showed up with some papers in his hand. I listened as he told detectives about Lee Oswald failing to show up at a roll call. My impression is that there was an earlier roll call ..."

Biffle recalls the superintendent (Truly) telling the police about a roll call in an article entitled: "The roll call inside the TSBD never happened."
unfuckingbelievable

Later, in the same article Harold Norman, confirms there was some kind of head count:

Q: …that worked there, they was making some kind of head count?
Norman: Right.
Q: Was that right?
Norman: Yes.

Obviously, in the cuckoo CT world a 'head count' is completely different to a 'roll call'

It is a measure of how little support there is for the notion of the invented roll call that the author of the article has to use multiple testimonies demonstrating the roll call did indeed take place.
But it is your blind willingness to suck this sh*t up and happily regurgitate it that really impresses.
And then accuse others of being gullible?? :D
Priceless.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #350 on: September 20, 2021, 09:41:39 AM »
Just another invention??

Everything is an invention or a hoax. It's all a bit silly.
I read the article and, knowing how genuinely crazy most of the CT community is, was not very surprised by the Kent Biffle interview:

". . . only two of us [reporters] had arrived at the ambush building [ the Depository] by this point. . . . Getting in was no problem. I just hid my press badge . . . and went in with the first wave of cops. . . . Hours dragged by. The building superintendent showed up with some papers in his hand. I listened as he told detectives about Lee Oswald failing to show up at a roll call. My impression is that there was an earlier roll call ..."

Biffle recalls the superintendent (Truly) telling the police about a roll call in an article entitled: "The roll call inside the TSBD never happened."
unfuckingbelievable

An admirably distorted presentation of the facts, Mr O'Meara!  Thumb1:

You carefully leave out from the Biffle quotation the all-important words, "but it was inconclusive inasmuch as several employees were missing. This time, however, all were accounted for but Oswald." Mr Biffle puts this at hours not minutes after the assassination

There was no early roll call in which Mr Oswald was singled out as the one employee who was suspiciously missing

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Later, in the same article Harold Norman, confirms there was some kind of head count:

Q: …that worked there, they was making some kind of head count?
Norman: Right.
Q: Was that right?
Norman: Yes.

You carefully leave out what Mr Norman says next: no notion abroad that Mr Oswald was singled out as suspiciously missing at this stage

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Obviously, in the cuckoo CT world a 'head count' is completely different to a 'roll call'

Nice strawman, and written in the best boilerplate Warren Gullible prose!  Thumb1:

The claim, of course, is that Mr Oswald's being singled out by ~1pm as uniquely and suspiciously missing was an invention after the fact. You have yet to put a dent in that claim

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #351 on: September 20, 2021, 02:45:05 PM »
Admission that you possibly read that link [though I doubt it] and admit that this roll call was an actual fabrication.
But then you must have learned that here-----
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,625.msg12544.html#msg12544

Wrong.  The obvious point is that whether there was a roll call or not, Oswald was not there and in flight from the crime scene.  Debating pedantic points like whether there was a roll call to suggest doubt as to his actions or guilt is typical CTer nonsense.  Oswald's rifle is on the 6th floor.  Fired bullet casings from that rifle are by the window.  His prints are on the SN boxes and rifle.  He has no alibi.  He is gone in a matter of minutes from the building after the crime.  He is involved in another murder less than an hour later.  None of that is an admission that the roll call is a fabrication. 

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #351 on: September 20, 2021, 02:45:05 PM »