Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

[Dan O'meara]

But what if they had no luck in tracking him down? And what if this failure cast doubt on Mr Oswald's claims about getting a taxi?

This would have left the 'investigating' authorities with a really tricky situation-----------they couldn't find corroboration that Mr Oswald had made it to his rooming house independently, i.e. without the help of another person who was NEITHER a bus driver NOR a cab driver. Such a failure to establish that Mr Oswald acted alone in his 'getaway' would only raise further the specter of conspiracy in the public mind.

Enter Mr Whaley..............

Really?

Whaley's affidavit is given the day after the assassination.
What's the big rush?
Why do the authorities feel the need to establish his getaway by the next day?
The investigation has only just begun. They have Oswald in custody and have as much time as they need to establish his movements after the TSBD.
Do you really think the investigating authorities were concerned about the "specter of conspiracy" the day after the assassination??
There is no need to start faking cab rides when a few phone calls would've tracked down the real cab driver.

You are not thinking about this correctly at all.
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?
They've got weeks and moths to put all the pieces together.

[Walt Cakebread]

Yet no pretend bus ride or cab ride to explain how Oswald got from his rooming house to the Tippit murder scene. The authorities found out about the Marsalis bus and Whaley taxi rides because they happened, not because they had to be invented.

no ----- bus ride or cab ride to explain how Oswald got from his rooming house to the Tippit murder scene.

BINGO !   That is the crux of the whole Whaley fabrication ....    Fritz & co wanted Whaley's tale to show that Lee Oswald lied when he told Fritz that he traveled to the Texas theater by bus.    And THAT is what Lee told Fritz.

Lee didn't realize that he was giving himself an airtight alibi when he told Fritz that he had traveled to the theater BY BUS....

From Thomas kelley's report page 626 of WR----   "In response to questions put by Captain Fritz, Oswald said that immediately after having left the building where he worked HE WENT BY BUS TO THE THEATHER where he was arrested.

Lee didn't know the location of the site where the police officer that he was accused of killing had been shot.  He didn't know that by telling Fritz that he traveled by bus to the theater that he was providing an alibi for his whereabouts at the time that JD Tippit was killed.  ....But of course Fritz knew full well that If the issue was focused on  They were in deep trouble in trying to frame Lee for Tippit's murder.     Thus Fritz knew that he had to show that Lee lied about how he traveled from the TSBD to the theater.   And Yes Lee did in fact "lie".....  He told one of those seemingly innocuous lies that we all tell from time to time.    Lee didn't realize that he should have told Fritz precisely how he had traveled from point to point after leaving the TSBD.  He simply abbreviated the journey by saying that he traveled by bus ........Leaving the listeners with impression that he had been on one bus for the entire trip.  He had no idea that he should have told Fritz the truth from the start.

[Walt Cakebread]

Really?

Whaley's affidavit is given the day after the assassination.
What's the big rush?
Why do the authorities feel the need to establish his getaway by the next day?
The investigation has only just begun. They have Oswald in custody and have as much time as they need to establish his movements after the TSBD.
Do you really think the investigating authorities were concerned about the "specter of conspiracy" the day after the assassination??
There is no need to start faking cab rides when a few phone calls would've tracked down the real cab driver.

You are not thinking about this correctly at all.
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?
They've got weeks and moths to put all the pieces together.

Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?

The conspirators were in a panic....  They never anticipated that the patsy would leave the TSBD alive.....

The public was clamoring for answers and their "fat was in the fire"  ......

You'll notice that Fritz does not ask lee how he traveled from the rooming house to the theater.   Fritz didn't want that answer....He wanted it to appear as though Lee had traveled from the rooming house to the scene of Tippit's murder.

The theory that Lee ran from the rooming house to 10th  & Patton streets has been exposed as impossible  because an eye witness to the Tippit murder swore under oath that Tippit was killed at 1:06 pm.   And since Lee was still at the rooming house at 1:03 pm it would have been impossible for him to have traveled the mile between the rooming house and the Tippit scene in just a couple of minutes.

An often overlooked bit of information is the fact that Lee said hat he was going to the movies before he ever departed from the TSBD.   Lee's destination when he left the TSBD was the Texas Theater. .....  So there is no reasonable explanation that would account for him to have been at 10th  & Patton.   

I know that the diehard LNer's have proposed many theories in an attempt to frame Lee Oswald for Tippit's murder, but they cannot refute the FACT that Lee told Fritz that he took a bus to the theater.    Nor can they refute the FACT that Tipit's killer was NOT using a S&W revolver.   Lee allegedly had a S&W revolver in his possession when he was arrested at the theater.  And nobody ever proved that the S&W was the murder weapon.   ( It can't be proven, because it was not the murder weapon.)

[Richard Smith]

Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?

The conspirators were in a panic....  They never anticipated that the patsy would leave the TSBD alive.....

The public was clamoring for answers and their "fat was in the fire"  ......

You'll notice that Fritz does not ask lee how he traveled from the rooming house to the theater.   Fritz didn't want that answer....He wanted it to appear as though Lee had traveled from the rooming house to the scene of Tippit's murder.

The theory that Lee ran from the rooming house to 10th  & Patton streets has been exposed as impossible  because an eye witness to the Tippit murder swore under oath that Tippit was killed at 1:06 pm.   And since Lee was still at the rooming house at 1:03 pm it would have been impossible for him to have traveled the mile between the rooming house and the Tippit scene in just a couple of minutes.

An often overlooked bit of information is the fact that Lee said hat he was going to the movies before he ever departed from the TSBD.   Lee's destination when he left the TSBD was the Texas Theater. .....  So there is no reasonable explanation that would account for him to have been at 10th  & Patton.   

I know that the diehard LNer's have proposed many theories in an attempt to frame Lee Oswald for Tippit's murder, but they cannot refute the FACT that Lee told Fritz that he took a bus to the theater.    Nor can they refute the FACT that Tipit's killer was NOT using a S&W revolver.   Lee allegedly had a S&W revolver in his possession when he was arrested at the theater.  And nobody ever proved that the S&W was the murder weapon.   ( It can't be proven, because it was not the murder weapon.)

So much spinning.  This yarn is getting longer than Moby Dick.  In which we learn that the conspirators were in a panic because Oswald escaped the TSBD.  How or why this is allowed to occur is left to our imagination since the conspirators are otherwise efficient enough to kill the President who is protected by numerous secret service agents and police officers.  But they can't manage to kill the unarmed and unprotected Oswald.  Not even when he is approached by an armed police officer.  Whoops.  Then it gets even better.   The DPD has Oswald in a perfect place to silence him.  The TT where they can claim he was a dangerous mad dog killer resisting arrest.  No one would question if Oswald had been killed in the TT.  Instead they take him into custody, allow him to speak to the press, somehow recruit someone willing to kill Oswald in the presence of law enforcement (and on TV) to spend the rest of his life in jail or face execution and keep him silent for the rest of his days.   What a plan!

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Here's the guy that they absolutely had to silence - to prevent him from exposing the plot. If he talked, that would be it. Those objects to the right of him are microphones. That big square thing on the top/center is a TV camera. It was broadcasting live. There are dozens of people in the room.

They could have allowed some "favored" reporters to talk to Oswald secretly. Orchestrate an interview. Keep it quiet in case he exposed the plot. But no, they did this. Yes, that's what conspirators would do.

[Walt Cakebread]

Here's the guy that they absolutely had to silence - to prevent him from exposing the plot. If he talked, that would be it. Those objects to the right of him are microphones. That big square thing on the top/center is a TV camera. It was broadcasting live. There are dozens of people in the room.

They could have allowed some "favored" reporters to talk to Oswald secretly. Orchestrate an interview. Keep it quiet in case he exposed the plot. But no, they did this. Yes, that's what conspirators would do.

Psssst  Steve.... It may come as a shock to you.....But secret agents do not "talk".  Lee was not revealing anything about the stage play that he was starring in.    He simply denied that he had killed anybody, and requested that "SOMEONE" COME TO HIS LEGAL AID.  He was waiting for the officially approved attorney ( Mr Abt) to advise him about answering questions.

Steve, you're so blinded by the BS that you make a damned fool of yourself when you post.

[Walt Cakebread]

Really?

Whaley's affidavit is given the day after the assassination.
What's the big rush?
Why do the authorities feel the need to establish his getaway by the next day?
The investigation has only just begun. They have Oswald in custody and have as much time as they need to establish his movements after the TSBD.
Do you really think the investigating authorities were concerned about the "specter of conspiracy" the day after the assassination??
There is no need to start faking cab rides when a few phone calls would've tracked down the real cab driver.

You are not thinking about this correctly at all.
Why the need to start faking things the day after the assassination?
They've got weeks and moths to put all the pieces together.

Dan, ol man,   I believe that there is hope for you.   I realize that you're heavily indoctrinated and blinded by all of the BS that's been foisted on us piss ants ( as LBJ called us) but the fact that you occasionally offer information that is sound and solid, encourages me to believe that sooner or later you'll "see the light"

I totally agree with your comment on Joe Molina saying that he never saw Baker enter the TSBD.   Perhaps Molina's attention was riveted on some other event at the time that Baker pushed his way into the TSBD, and therefore  Molina simply didn't see him. 

[Richard Smith]

Psssst  Steve.... It may come as a shock to you.....But secret agents do not "talk".  Lee was not revealing anything about the stage play that he was starring in.    He simply denied that he had killed anybody, and requested that "SOMEONE" COME TO HIS LEGAL AID.  He was waiting for the officially approved attorney ( Mr Abt) to advise him about answering questions.

Steve, you're so blinded by the BS that you make a damned fool of yourself when you post.

I realize logic plays no part in your fantasies but why did they plan to kill him at the TSBD or have Ruby kill him if he is not going to talk due to his status as "secret agent"?  He just keeps his mouth shut in prison like they trusted Ruby to do.  In fact, Ruby seems like a greater risk to blab than Oswald if Old Lee was a super duper secret agent in on the plan.