Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?

[Alan Ford]

Walt is the only CTer with the balls to offer up an alternative to the "official" narrative that Oswald did get a bus then a taxi back to the rooming house but that it was a different taxi, not the one driven by Whaley.

This is the only alternative theory the CT community on this forum have come up with.

Untrue, but of course you already know that (your hero Mr Mytton has mentored you well!)

[Walt Cakebread]

Not necessarily------- somebody helpful might have given him a lift

Because maybe somebody did give him a lift

  Whether the interrogation reports are telling the truth on this score is precisely what is at issue in this discussion, Mr O'Meara. Do try to keep up........

That depends on e.g. timeline considerations for the Tippit murder

Huh? The first official interrogation report (Bookhout-Hosty) has Mr Oswald-------the day before he supposedly changes his story and 'admits' to having taken a cab ride--------already telling Captain Fritz he went back to his rooming house. For heaven's sake, Mr O'Meara, think before you post!

 

That depends on e.g. timeline considerations for the Tippit murder

BINGO!!.... THIS is the motive for insisting that Lee was Whaley's passenger.   They wanted to show hat Lee lied about going to the theater on a bus.....

Well i'm here to tell you that he did lie...... But it was not a sinister lie.  It was the sort of lie that we all tell from time to time.

Lee's lie was a lie of convenience ..... Rather than go into the tiny boring details about his trip to the theater he simply said that he traveled to the theater by bus. ( and this was true)   Whaley's tale fell right into the conspirators hands, because it seemed to show that Lee was lying....   

[Jerry Freeman]

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https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3071.msg116701.html#msg116701

Why do people try and cling to the word of an idiot like Whaley [testifying 3 times some 4-5 months after the assassination] and refuse the word of a sheriffs deputy who made his statement the very next day?

[Alan Ford]

Mr Tom Sorensen writes:

Viewing a discussion elsewhere I became aware of CE 1381 (22 H 632-686) which is a truck load of short FBI reports involving all TSBD employees at work on November the 22nd, 1963. The reports were commissioned by Lee Ranking (General Counsel) but the request was likely crafted by the dynamic duo BALL & BELIN. The core statements were predefined, that's why the same statements, or variations over those statements, are repeated throughout the reports.

I've never paid much attention to those reports, dated late March, 1964. But, since Buell Frazier was at work that day I thought I'd better check what he had to say; the statement taken from him is 22 H 647. Not much going on there, like most of them, but note at the very end, when leaving the TSBD he "went directly home" -- WHAT?!

Wasn't he supposed to be arrested at the Irving clinic by Rose and Stovall while visiting his stepfather?

Also note the date of the report, March 18, 1964, which is after his testimony before the commission on March 11, 1964. So what did he tell the commission? Well, since they didn't ask him, he didn't have to tell them anything about his arrest! In fact, nothing is discussed after Buell has left the depository -- how convenient!

To me it's obvious that any activities concerning Frazier after leaving the TSBD was already tabu. The commission must have known from the joint Rose/Stovall/Adamcik report that Frazier was picked up by Irving Detective McCabe at the Irving clinic and that happened within 15-20 minutes of McCabe receiving the call, he was ready to rock and roll! This makes the Rose/Stovall/Adamcik 40 minute wait at the curb outside the Pain's residence the afternoon if the 22nd complete BS, as they could have called Irving police ahead of leaving HQ. Both Frazier and DP officers were definitely busy doing something that afternoon worth investigating. At a minimum, interviewing staff at the Irving Clinic to pinpoint when, or if, Frazier was there.

There's no way around it: to this day, Buell Wesley Frazier has repeatedly been lying about his whereabouts the 22nd after leaving the TSBD.

[Jerry Freeman]

Mr Tom Sorensen writes:
There's no way around it: to this day, Buell Wesley Frazier has repeatedly been lying about his whereabouts the 22nd after leaving the TSBD.

Years ago [1975 or so] I bought some books from a lady who had spoken to Frazier.
Wes Frazier was only about 19 at the time of the assassination and he told her [she said] that the cops had come down on him really hard...physically and mentally.
So being forced to either "play ball" "or else" it seems that Wes just told the cops and the Commission what he thought they wanted to hear.
After awhile ... and so many years...he started to believe it himself [just like Johnny Brewer with his tale]

[Walt Cakebread]

Years ago [1975 or so] I bought some books from a lady who had spoken to Frazier.
Wes Frazier was only about 19 at the time of the assassination and he told her [she said] that the cops had come down on him really hard...physically and mentally.
So being forced to either "play ball" "or else" it seems that Wes just told the cops and the Commission what he thought they wanted to hear.
After awhile ... and so many years...he started to believe it himself [just like Johnny Brewer with his tale]

Thanks for posting that Jerry.... I also believe that Frazier  "just told the cops and the Commission what he thought they wanted to hear.   After awhile ... and so many years...he started to believe it himself [just like Johnny Brewer with his tale]

As I recall Frazier said that he now pals around with a couple of the DPD cops.   Maybe a true and real friendship did develop, but you can bet those cops were there at Frazier's side to remind him that he'd better keep his mouth shut.

[Richard Smith]

Thanks for posting that Jerry.... I also believe that Frazier  "just told the cops and the Commission what he thought they wanted to hear.   After awhile ... and so many years...he started to believe it himself [just like Johnny Brewer with his tale]

As I recall Frazier said that he now pals around with a couple of the DPD cops.   Maybe a true and real friendship did develop, but you can bet those cops were there at Frazier's side to remind him that he'd better keep his moth shut.

Whew.  The same Frazier that speaks freely at public events casting doubt on Oswald's guilt.  Claiming that Oswald was nice to kids, carried a bag too short to contain the rifle etc.  That guy?

[Walt Cakebread]

Whew.  The same Frazier that speaks freely at public events casting doubt on Oswald's guilt.  Claiming that Oswald was nice to kids, carried a bag too short to contain the rifle etc.  That guy?

Casting doubt on Lee's guilt??    As I see it , Frazier only adds to the mystery.....  To my knowledge he has never  expressed an opinion about Lee's involvement in the assassination.   I believe that if I were in BWF shoes, I would clearly state that I didn't accept the finding of LBJ's Special Select Committee ( The warren commission) and I believe that Lee was railroaded.

I believe that there is a BIG question to be answered about that paper sack that Frazier claims the Lee carried that morning.

Was there in fact such a sack??    Lee Oswald said that he never carried any sack other than his lunch sack....And I strongly suspect that Frazier exaggerated the size of Lee's lunch sack.   In another thread just this morning someone raised the question about whether Frazier went to the Irving hospital to visit his step father IMMEDIATELY after leaving the TSBD.   I believe that he first went home and talked with his mother and his sister about the astonishing event that was at that moment being broadcast on the TV.  Lee was identified as a suspect quite early after the shooting and it would have been natural for Frazier to have speculated about whether Lee was concealing a gun in that large lunch sack.   If it's true that Frazier went home before  going to the Hospital to visit his step dad ....then that might explain where his sister got the idea that Lee was carrying a long paper sack and she wanted to apprise the police who were at the Paine's house.