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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #312 on: September 17, 2021, 10:49:37 PM »
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Good grief.  HA HA HA. Oswald could have taken his rifle to his boardinghouse at any point in the weeks or months before the assassination.  Just as he kept his pistol there.  All he has to do is carry it to the TSBD on the bus - like he did to the Walker scene - on any day that week.

Way to hedge your bets, Mr Smith!   :D

Of course, all Mr Oswald has to do for the document below to be explained is bring curtain rods to the Depository in Mr Buell Wesley Frazier's car the morning of the assassination


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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #313 on: September 17, 2021, 10:58:38 PM »
Mr Ford, I would consider your idea ( that Frazier gave Lee I ride to oakcliff after the shooting)  as a possibility except Lee said that he took a CITY cab to the rooming house and he paid a fare of 85 cents.   He knew the taxi fare and that for me clinches his statement that he rode in a CITY cab to the rooming house.

Mr Cakebread, how do you know
a) Mr Oswald actually said this and the "approximately 85 cents" was not put in his mouth?
b) a CITY cab to the rooming house would have cost 85 cents?

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #314 on: September 17, 2021, 11:05:35 PM »
Why would Frazier exaggerate the size of Oswald's lunch sack but still insist it was too short to contain the rifle?

Mr Frazier, like his sister, describes a sack the perfect size for holding curtain rods.

This fact is, of course, NOT WHOLLY UNRELATED to the fact that two curtain rods were tested for Mr Oswald's prints eight days BEFORE two curtain rods were extracted on the record from Ms Paine's garage

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #315 on: September 17, 2021, 11:08:26 PM »
Way to hedge your bets, Mr Smith!   :D

Of course, all Mr Oswald has to do for the document below to be explained is bring curtain rods to the Depository in Mr Buell Wesley Frazier's car the morning of the assassination



Could Oswald have gotten his rifle into the building prior to 11.22 or not?  The rifle is found there.  As a result, it must have been brought there by someone.  If you don't believe Oswald brought it that morning, then by necessity you are claiming someone (whether Oswald or someone else) got the rifle into the building unnoticed.  Therefore, you must believe that it was possible for the rifle to be smuggled into the building prior to the assassination.  Oswald could do that as well as any fantasy conspirator.  In fact, because he worked in the building he would not arose suspicion and know where it could best be hidden.  All of this to point out only that it was not necessary from a conspiracy perspective to have any witness confirm that Oswald brought his rifle on 11.22.  Only that the his rifle was there. 

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #316 on: September 17, 2021, 11:10:22 PM »
Oswald could have taken his rifle to his boardinghouse at any point in the weeks or months before the assassination.  Just as he kept his pistol there.  All he has to do is carry it to the TSBD on the bus - like he did to the Walker scene - on any day that week.
You are the one who said "the day before" now it is weeks before? And Oswald kept it under the bed? [Housekeeping would never find it there ::)] Then why all the brewhaha about Oswald needing to ride out that Thursday evening with Frazier [to supposedly get the rifle]?
Again, Richard Smith has chased his tail into a corner.

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #317 on: September 17, 2021, 11:13:55 PM »
Interesting, Mr Freeman, thank you  Thumb1:

I seriously have to wonder did Mr Frazier give Mr Oswald a ride after the shooting? It would help explain
-the horrors he was put through at City Hall that night
-the unconvincing/inconsistent account he has given over the years of his own post-assassination movements.
-his very late telling of a story of having seen Mr Oswald disappear from sight several minutes after the shooting

Is anyone on the record as having seen or spoken to Mr Frazier on the first floor of the Depository after the shooting? Surely, if Mr Oswald had been noticed absent, Mr Frazier (his closest buddy there and the man who gave him a ride to and from work) would have been the obvious person to check in with.................

Just a thought------------and, by the way, one that assumes no necessarily nefarious intentions or activities on Mr Frazier's part

Now---------------------Quiz Time!

All the people, EXCEPT ONE, on the list below either worked in the Texas School Book Depository or were in the building shortly after the assassination:





Question! Which name is the odd one out?

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #318 on: September 17, 2021, 11:16:24 PM »
Could Oswald have gotten his rifle into the building prior to 11.22 or not?  The rifle is found there.  As a result, it must have been brought there by someone.  If you don't believe Oswald brought it that morning, then by necessity you are claiming someone (whether Oswald or someone else) got the rifle into the building unnoticed.  Therefore, you must believe that it was possible for the rifle to be smuggled into the building prior to the assassination.  Oswald could do that as well as any fantasy conspirator.  In fact, because he worked in the building he would not arose suspicion and know where it could best be hidden.  All of this to point out only that it was not necessary from a conspiracy perspective to have any witness confirm that Oswald brought his rifle on 11.22.  Only that the his rifle was there.

So you STILL, even after many months, can't explain the Crime Scene Search Section document on the curtain rods? Golly, that must be embarrassing for you!  ???

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #319 on: September 17, 2021, 11:19:28 PM »
You are the one who said "the day before" now it is weeks before? And Oswald kept it under the bed? [Housekeeping would never find it there ::)] Then why all the brewhaha about Oswald needing to ride out that Thursday evening with Frazier [to supposedly get the rifle]?
Again, Richard Smith has chased his tail into a corner.

We know Oswald did keep a gun at the boardinghouse.  His pistol.  If he keeps his rifle in blanket, as he did in the Paine's garage, then it would go unnoticed.  But you are taking this down the usual CTer rabbit hole.  I'm not arguing that Oswald did keep his rifle at the boardinghouse or that he took it to the TSBD on some day prior to the 11.22.  I'm simply pointing out that the authorities did not need a witness to confirm how Oswald got the rifle into the building.  There were plausible ways he could have gotten the rifle there unnoticed.  In fact, it is CTers that argue that someone somehow smuggled the MC rifle into the building unnoticed.  The "brewhaha" about Oswald needing a ride on Thursday is because that is actually the way he obtained the rifle to bring into the TSBD the next day.  Can you understand the distinction between rebutting the claim that the conspirators needed a witness to lie to explain how the rifle got to the building and the evidence that lends itself to the conclusion that Oswald did bring the rifle to work that morning? 

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Re: Why are the CT's so obsessed with disproving the innocent Bus and Cab rides?
« Reply #319 on: September 17, 2021, 11:19:28 PM »