Oswald: No power lunch

[Alan Ford]

So your fantasy conspirators entered the TSBD, took over the 6th floor, set up the scene to frame Oswald, excluded anyone from entering that floor, but then they allow Oswald to roam about the building in a public area where he could be seen by anyone!  HA HA HA.   Keep them coming.

Mr Oswald, your fantasy shooter, was not actually being set up as the shooter. Therefore, he was indeed allowed to roam about the building------------and even go outside to watch the P. Parade 

[John Mytton]

Lee knew that if he was seen or photographed at a time in which he was allegedly shooting at JFK, he would be shot by Castro's firing squad if he managed to enter Cuba.  Thus he remained out of sight....

Not according to Ford, Oswald went outside and stood with his work mates and watched the P. Parade and allowed himself to be possibly photographed and even filmed! Doh!

JohnM

[Alan Ford]

Not according to Ford, Oswald went outside and stood with his work mates and watched the P. Parade and allowed himself to be possibly photographed and even filmed! Doh!

JohnM

Indeed-------------Mr Cakebread and I see this very differently (he being still mesmerized, like you, by the lunchroom encounter fiction)

[John Mytton]

Indeed-------------Mr Cakebread and I see this very differently (he being still mesmerized, like you, by the lunchroom encounter fiction)

C'mon Alan, when even Walt can see huge holes in your narrative maybe it's time to reassess your conclusions.

JohnM

[Alan Ford]

Now!

The 'corrected' Adams testimony transcript--------i.e. with handwritten corrections--------bears two stamps:



If I understand this correctly, the 1967 stamp cancels the 'TOP SECRET' classification, whereas the 2011 stamp declassifies the document fully.

Mr Barry Ernest notes wryly-----------------

"this differing transcription shows an additional declassification stamp, bearing a more recent date of February 9, 2011. Coincidentally, that is two months after existence of the Martha Joe Stroud letter was disclosed for the first time in the self-published edition of The Girl on the Stairs."

Let us note that Ms Adams told Mr Ernest that she did indeed receive a transcript of her testimony sent to her office, to which she wrote in some corrections. However, she was adamant that she did NOT testify to, or read/correct any testimony transcript including mention of, Messrs Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor after she and Ms Styles ran down the back stairs.

Ms Styles (now Butler) has backed up Ms Adams on this issue: no Mr Lovelady, no Mr Shelley

There is a solution to this, my friends------------------it's not pretty but it is perfectly feasible. And it does not make a liar of Ms Adams.........

Well!

It is a fact that not one of the corrections mentioned in the Stroud letter is actually reflected in the published testimony of Ms Adams.

One explanation would be bureaucratic inattention. Another, however, would be that the point of getting Ms Adams to make handwritten corrections was NOT to get her testimony correct but---------------to get from her authentic handwritten corrections that could used as a reference.

On this latter scenario:

1. Ms Adams is given an Honest Transcript of her testimony to read & correct: she does so, writing in corrections where she sees fit
2. An Enhanced Transcript---------containing interpolated references to Messrs Shelley & Lovelady----------has meanwhile been quietly prepared
3. Someone other than Ms Adams reproduces (both as to substance and handwriting) her corrections (from the Honest Transcript) on the Enhanced Transcript.

Not at all difficult to do convincingly.

But why go to all this trouble? Insurance, in case this most troublesome and dangerous of witnesses is so shocked when she reads her published testimony that she goes public with a claim that she never said or subsequently OK'd any of the Lovelady-Shelley stuff. The Enhanced Transcript (with 'her' handwritten corrections) can be released to discredit her.

Thankfully, it doesn't come to that----------------though a version of this does come to pass when, decades later, Mr Ernest goes public with the Stroud letter. Two months later, in 2011, the Enhanced Transcript is fully declassified. Some coincidence!

Interestingly, the original steno tapes from the day on which Ms Adams gave her testimony are inexplicably NOT in the archive.......................

[Alan Ford]

C'mon Alan, when even Walt can see huge holes in your narrative maybe it's time to reassess your conclusions.

JohnM

I like Mr Cakebread, but he refuses to let new evidence challenge narratives he developed years ago. Who does that remind me of, Mr Mytton? 

[Dan O'meara]

C'mon Alan, when even Walt can see huge holes in your narrative maybe it's time to reassess your conclusions.

JohnM

Just in case you missed it:

"...any "lies" from these men were simply attempts at self preservation..."

Self preservation??
These are supposedly just guys being asked to recount what they saw and did around the time of the assassination. Where does "self preservation" come into it?

"That's a pretty broad brush and I'd like to know which "lies" and from whom you consider leads to someone besides Oswald being involved and why?"

To get into the full scale of the lies these men tell would require a thread of its own but let's start with Bonnie Ray.
On the day of the assassination he is asked to recount what happened. This is a black man being questioned by the Dallas police in the early sixties. And he decides to tell an outright lie - that he went down after work, picked up his lunch and went back up to the 5th floor with Norman and Jarman.
This is an outright lie.
Not an oversight or a "misrememberance".
He is questioned the next day by the FBI (The FBI!!). He now remembers he went up to the 6th floor by himself but tells his next outright lie - that he was up there for about 3 minutes!
We now know that he was up there for at least 25 minutes.
His WC testimony reveals that the more BRW is questioned on this issue the longer he's up there:

"...when you talked to Carter and Griffin, they reported that you told them you went down to the fifth floor around 12:05 p.m"

"I had left the sixth floor, after I had eaten the chicken sandwich. I finished the chicken sandwich maybe 10 or 15 minutes after 12"

"Mr. BALL. Approximately what time was it?
Mr. WILLIAMS. Approximately 12:20, maybe."

3 minutes, 5, 10 15, 20, and still he never gets to the actual time.
After being questioned by the DPD, the FBI and the Warren Commission he still won't tell the whole truth.

He also lies about where he has his lunch. At least 5 five witnesses state there was a half eaten piece of chicken in or on top of the SN but in his WC testimony BRW has himself sat between the third and fourth set of windows, some 30 ft away.

He even lies about having eaten all the chicken!!

Bonnie Ray lies constantly about being up on the 6th floor, how long he was up there and where he was sitting.
He is a young black man, in Dallas, in the early '60's, constantly lying to the DPD, the FBI and the Warren Commission.

We both agree that the reason for all this lying is because BRW encountered the assassin on the 6th floor.
The question is - if Oswald is the lone assassin and is dead before the weekend is out, why does Bonnie Ray carry on lying?
The only reasonable conclusion I can reach is that the assassin he encountered is very much alive and is a direct threat to him.

"...expecting consistent untainted photo perfect memories is a little naive."

You're right John, anyone who is expecting a photo perfect memory from any witness is definitely being naive.
But that's not is what's happening. Williams outright lies on the day of the assassination and is then involved in a continuous series of lies thereafter.

Imagining Williams is being forgetful is truly naive.

"The question is - if Oswald is the lone assassin and is dead before the weekend is out, why does Bonnie Ray carry on lying?"

Other highlights include:

Both Shelley and Lovelady lie in their WC testimonies about how long it took for Baker to arrive at the TSBD steps - 3 minutes - even though both men are shown in Darnell at the bottom of the TSBD steps as Baker arrives.
Both men 'lie by omission' in their same day statements by leaving out their movements down towards the railroad tracks and entering the TSBD by the west door. Both deliberately give the impression they re-enter the TSBD immediately after the assassination through the front door.
Dougherty lies about being on the 5th floor at the same time as Williams, Jarman and Norman - when the assassination occurs.
He also lies with his ridiculous story about taking the elevator down to the first floor after the shooting, talking with Eddie Piper, then returning to the 6th floor.
And on and on...

These are not moments of forgetfulness. They are deliberate attempts to distort their movements around the time of the assassination.