Oswald: No power lunch

[Alan Ford]

Yes Alan, I do believe the shooter is Jack Dougherty.

Thank you, Mr O'Meara

[Alan Ford]

But I don't believe BRW encountered any assassin ( however I'm not 100% sure about that.)  I believe BRW encountered a "deputy sheriff" or a "security guard"  (recall that Brennan said that the man with the rifle as wearing khaki colored clothing)    That "deputy Sheriff" with a rifle,  would be very intimidating to a young black man like BRW.  If that "Sheriff" told BRW to get his ass off the sixth floor and forget that he had seen the "sheriff's deputy"  there.

I agree with the basic scenario here: the sixth floor was kept off bounds by a person or persons posing as law enforcement of some sort.

However, I believe Mr Williams was NOT the only innocent worker to be kept off the floor. This would not have been left to luck. The 'decision' of none of the other employees to choose 6 is both odd and telling.

As for what the credentials-flashing man/men said? Instead of something threatening that would be apt to lead Mr Williams (& co.!) to believe something nasty was afoot (thereby raising the risk of an alert being raised), it would more likely have been a simple official instruction.

It was only when the assassination happened that Mr Williams------------and any other employees who had been kept off the floor-------------will have realized with horror that that man or those guys up on 6 were NOT there to protect Pres. Kennedy.

And if Mr Williams and/or Co. talked about all this afterwards? Not a problem. There was no attempt by those behind the assassination to have this pinned on a lone gunman acting alone.

[Walt Cakebread]

I agree with the basic scenario here: the sixth floor was kept off bounds by a person or persons posing as law enforcement of some sort.

However, I believe Mr Williams was NOT the only innocent worker to be kept off the floor. This would not have been left to luck. The 'decision' of none of the other employees to choose 6 is both odd and telling.

As for what the credentials-flashing man/men said? Instead of something threatening that would be apt to lead Mr Williams (& co.!) to believe something nasty was afoot (thereby raising the risk of an alert being raised), it would more likely have been a simple official instruction.

It was only when the assassination happened that Mr Williams------------and any other employees who had been kept off the floor-------------will have realized with horror that that man or those guys up on 6 were NOT there to protect Pres. Kennedy.

And if Mr Williams and/or Co. talked about all this afterwards? Not a problem. There was no attempt by those behind the assassination to have this pinned on a lone gunman acting alone.

Mr Ford, we have a minor disagreement...We agree on this point...... "the sixth floor was kept off bounds by a person or persons posing as law enforcement of some sort. " The conspirators would not have allowed anybody onto the sixth floor. They knew that Lee was supposed to be playing the part of an attempted assassin by shooting at the President from the sixth floor.  So they surely would have barred anybody from that floor after 12:15....( about the time that BRW said that he left the sixth floor.)   So did the "Deputy Sheriff" encounter BRW there on the sixth floor and ordered him to leave the sixth floor?

What assurance would the "Deputy" have had that BRW wouldn't have told anybody about being ordered off the sixth floor?  IMO That "Deputy" would have had to have assurance that BRW wouldn't report that he had been ordered off the sixth floor and the "Deputy" had told him that nobody was allowed on the sixth floor.

Wouldn't the simple minded young kid have thought it odd that the deputy had chased him off of the sixth floor while allowing Lee Oswald onto the floor.      A question like this would surely have prompted BRW to ask questions.....Unless ....He was too frightened to ask the questions.   ( I don't believe that Lee was on the sixth floor at the time that JFK was murdered but the official story has always been that Lee Oswald shot JFK from the sixth floor window.)   

[Richard Smith]

Mr Ford, we have a minor disagreement...We agree on this point...... "the sixth floor was kept off bounds by a person or persons posing as law enforcement of some sort. " The conspirators would not have allowed anybody onto the sixth floor. They knew that Lee was supposed to be playing the part of an attempted assassin by shooting at the President from the sixth floor.  So they surely would have barred anybody from that floor after 12:15....( about the time that BRW said that he left the sixth floor.)   So did the "Deputy Sheriff" encounter BRW there on the sixth floor and ordered him to leave the sixth floor?

What assurance would the "Deputy" have had that BRW wouldn't have told anybody about being ordered off the sixth floor?  IMO That "Deputy" would have had to have assurance that BRW wouldn't report that he had been ordered off the sixth floor and the "Deputy" had told him that nobody was allowed on the sixth floor.

Wouldn't the simple minded young kid have thought it odd that the deputy had chased him off of the sixth floor while allowing Lee Oswald onto the floor.      A question like this would surely have prompted BRW to ask questions.....Unless ....He was too frightened to ask the questions.   ( I don't believe that Lee was on the sixth floor at the time that JFK was murdered but the official story has always been that Lee Oswald shot JFK from the sixth floor window.)   

So your fantasy conspirators entered the TSBD, took over the 6th floor, set up the scene to frame Oswald, excluded anyone from entering that floor, but then they allow Oswald to roam about the building in a public area where he could be seen by anyone!  HA HA HA.   Keep them coming. 

[Walt Cakebread]

So your fantasy conspirators entered the TSBD, took over the 6th floor, set up the scene to frame Oswald, excluded anyone from entering that floor, but then they allow Oswald to roam about the building in a public area where he could be seen by anyone!  HA HA HA.   Keep them coming.

they allow Oswald to roam about the building in a public area where he could be seen by anyone!

Psssst... Mr "Smith" Nobody saw Lee at the time JFK was passing the TSBD....

"They" weren't controlling Lee.... They allowed him to believe that this was his clever plot to infiltrate Cuba....Just as It was his plot to attempt to shoot Walker .....

Lee knew that if he was seen or photographed at a time in which he was allegedly shooting at JFK, he would be shot by Castro's firing squad if he managed to enter Cuba.   Thus he remained out of sight....  Or do you know of a confirmed sighting of Lee Oswald at the time that JFK was passing by the TSBD?

[Alan Ford]

Mr Ford, we have a minor disagreement...We agree on this point...... "the sixth floor was kept off bounds by a person or persons posing as law enforcement of some sort. " The conspirators would not have allowed anybody onto the sixth floor.

Yep----------------and the absence of ANY of the floor-laying crew on the sixth floor for the motorcade is the dog that didn't bark here. Just as the decision of Messrs Norman & Jarman to watch the P. Parade from FIVE rather than SIX was NOT a stroke of luck for whoever was on 6

They knew that Lee was supposed to be playing the part of an attempted assassin by shooting at the President from the sixth floor.

Mr Oswald may have been involved, or framed for involvement, but I see no evidence he was set up by the assassination conspirators as the actual shooter

So they surely would have barred anybody from that floor after 12:15....( about the time that BRW said that he left the sixth floor.)

More to the point: the time Mr Rowland saw two men on 6. The floor was commandeered by this point

So did the "Deputy Sheriff" encounter BRW there on the sixth floor and ordered him to leave the sixth floor?

What assurance would the "Deputy" have had that BRW wouldn't have told anybody about being ordered off the sixth floor?  IMO That "Deputy" would have had to have assurance that BRW wouldn't report that he had been ordered off the sixth floor and the "Deputy" had told him that nobody was allowed on the sixth floor.

Wouldn't the simple minded young kid have thought it odd that the deputy had chased him off of the sixth floor while allowing Lee Oswald onto the floor.

Mr Williams--------------even if he did get further than the stairway landing of 6---------------did not see Mr Oswald on 6. On this matter, Mr Oswald is an irrelevance!

[Alan Ford]

So your fantasy conspirators entered the TSBD, took over the 6th floor, set up the scene to frame Oswald, excluded anyone from entering that floor, but then they allow Oswald to roam about the building in a public area where he could be seen by anyone!  HA HA HA.   Keep them coming.

Mr Oswald, your fantasy shooter, was not actually being set up as the shooter. Therefore, he was indeed allowed to roam about the building------------and even go outside to watch the P. Parade 

[John Mytton]

Lee knew that if he was seen or photographed at a time in which he was allegedly shooting at JFK, he would be shot by Castro's firing squad if he managed to enter Cuba.  Thus he remained out of sight....

Not according to Ford, Oswald went outside and stood with his work mates and watched the P. Parade and allowed himself to be possibly photographed and even filmed! Doh!

JohnM