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Online Charles Collins

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Perception of Reality
« on: September 27, 2021, 03:53:17 PM »
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On the left is the full view, on the right is the limited view that doesn't depict the truth. Both sides of the JFK Assassination conspiracy argument will claim they are looking at the full view. But the CT proponents will claim that the photo on the left is fake....



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Perception of Reality
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Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2021, 11:39:48 PM »
On the left is the full view, on the right is the limited view that doesn't depict the truth. Both sides of the JFK Assassination conspiracy argument will claim they are looking at the full view. But the CT proponents will claim that the photo on the left is fake....



They both represent the truth.  It is just that in the right picture you are making an incorrect interpretation of what is occurring if you conclude that the head is in the lion's mouth.  In order to interpret it correctly you need to look at other evidence, such as the left picture.

It is kind of like frame 224 of the Zapruder film.  Some interpret it as it appears to them based on that single frame without caring that it conflicts with the rest of the evidence. Others look at the rest of the evidence and interpret it in a way that is consistent with that evidence.
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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2021, 01:40:27 AM »
They both represent the truth.  It is just that in the right picture you are making an incorrect interpretation of what is occurring if you conclude that the head is in the lion's mouth.  In order to interpret it correctly you need to look at other evidence, such as the left picture.

It is kind of like frame 224 of the Zapruder film.  Some interpret it as it appears to them based on that single frame without caring that it conflicts with the rest of the evidence. Others look at the rest of the evidence and interpret it in a way that is consistent with that evidence.

Some of the danger lies in (due to having a biased view) looking at only one viewpoint. Example: If you believe that lions are always violent, the photo on the right might be all you care to look at. Another viewpoint (the left photo) shows an entirely different situation. But if one has been conditioned to believe that lions are always violent, one might not think that the left photo is genuine.

Now, think about the practically universal distrust of the authorities apparently present in the CT community. And the implications of that bias as it applies to their viewpoint and interpretation of the JFK assassination case. It is no wonder why essentially every piece of evidence has been “declared” by them to be corrupted in one way or another. They appear to believe that practically all the evidence is tainted. Why else would that be, except for a biased viewpoint?

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Re: Perception of Reality
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2021, 02:52:08 AM »
Some of the danger lies in (due to having a biased view) looking at only one viewpoint. Example: If you believe that lions are always violent, the photo on the right might be all you care to look at. Another viewpoint (the left photo) shows an entirely different situation. But if one has been conditioned to believe that lions are always violent, one might not think that the left photo is genuine.

Now, think about the practically universal distrust of the authorities apparently present in the CT community. And the implications of that bias as it applies to their viewpoint and interpretation of the JFK assassination case. It is no wonder why essentially every piece of evidence has been “declared” by them to be corrupted in one way or another. They appear to believe that practically all the evidence is tainted. Why else would that be, except for a biased viewpoint?

Charles, it's not a super complicated problem.

The reason JFK conspiracy theories still persist is because of the EVIDENCE.

It's a fact that many pieces of evidence in the case have problems due either to incompetence or corruption by the Dallas PD. Their incompetence also led to the murder of Lee Oswald in their custody (which in and of itself fuels conspiracy theories).

It's a fact that there were institutional cover-ups by several of the agencies involved with the investigation.

It's a fact that most people watch the Zapruder film and view it as evidence of a second shooter (not everyone will buy the explanations of why Kennedy's head jerked violently backwards).

It's a fact that the botched JFK autopsy has created more confusion about the Medical evidence on both sides of the debate.

So with those issues in mind, it should be obvious why JFK assassination CT's will never go away.

I don't group JFK CT's with other CT's like 'Q-Anon' or 'faked Moon Landings' because there's plenty of reasonable questions about the evidence in the Kennedy assassination.

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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2021, 03:50:55 AM »
Charles, it's not a super complicated problem.

The reason JFK conspiracy theories still persist is because of the EVIDENCE.

It's a fact that many pieces of evidence in the case have problems due either to incompetence or corruption by the Dallas PD. Their incompetence also led to the murder of Lee Oswald in their custody (which in and of itself fuels conspiracy theories).

It's a fact that there were institutional cover-ups by several of the agencies involved with the investigation.

It's a fact that most people watch the Zapruder film and view it as evidence of a second shooter (not everyone will buy the explanations of why Kennedy's head jerked violently backwards).

It's a fact that the botched JFK autopsy has created more confusion about the Medical evidence on both sides of the debate.

So with those issues in mind, it should be obvious why JFK assassination CT's will never go away.

I don't group JFK CT's with other CT's like 'Q-Anon' or 'faked Moon Landings' because there's plenty of reasonable questions about the evidence in the Kennedy assassination.

I agree that there will always be controversy surrounding the JFK assassination case. But there is more to it than just the items that you have outlined. In the US, it became much more fashionable to be antiestablishment and down right hostile to the authorities during the Vietnam War era and subsequent controversies like Watergate, etc. It has never improved and the nutty defund the police movement is an example of that. Couple that widespread attitude with the Oliver Stone JFK movie, and the unavoidable result is that a majority of the people believe in conspiracy. Most of them have no desire to do any research of their own or even entertain the other side of the argument. They just “somehow know” that there was a conspiracy and that is that…
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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2021, 07:37:07 AM »
Why would Oswald shoot JFK?
Because he was a nut.

How do you know he was a nut?
Because he shot JFK.

Per the illustration...We know that mother cats carry their young around----
----so there is nothing greatly revealed about this.
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2021, 08:14:41 AM »
Why would Oswald shoot JFK?
Because he was a nut.

How do you know he was a nut?
Because he shot JFK.


Oswald wasn't just a nut, he was Stark Raving Bonkers who was a wife beater, defector and already tried to assassinate General Edwin Anderson Walker.



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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2021, 08:38:24 AM »
... And stop lying that it's where Hickey saw Kennedy's hair fly away. You lie because you need the tiny hair flutter for your Pet Theory's Z272 shot. The only place Hickey could see the President's hair fly away is the head shot. 
Is that what George Hickey stated?
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The first shot of the second two seemed as if it missed because the hair on the right side of his head flew forward and there didn't seem to be any impact against his head.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/Sa-hicke.htm

Why do you call people liars?
What is your problem?

Oswald wasn't just a nut, he was Stark Raving Bonkers
People who like to sit around and create all these little illustrations with apparently nothing better to do might be a bit non compos mentis themselves.

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Re: Perception of Reality
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2021, 08:38:24 AM »