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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2021, 11:24:43 PM »
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Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.

You are aware that the FBI lab in Washington received evidence 0n the morning of 11/23/63 aren't you??

Are you proposing that the DPD simply let the FBI take that evidence with no record, or documentation that the DPD had gave that evidence to the FBI?   

 

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2021, 01:05:47 AM »
You are aware that the FBI lab in Washington received evidence 0n the morning of 11/23/63 aren't you??

Are you proposing that the DPD simply let the FBI take that evidence with no record, or documentation that the DPD had gave that evidence to the FBI?   

They very well may have.  It's not like they were diligent about evidence handling and documentation.  But the point remains that there is no reason to think that this particular list was written that night or accompanied the first release of evidence to the FBI.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2021, 04:41:34 PM »
Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

No, it's not verification at all.  You don't know when that list was created, or for what purpose.

Actual evidence rather than a Walt assumption and story.


Thank you for the candid answer.  And by the definition of "at that time" you're referring to "on the evening of 11/22/63, isn't that correct?.

Yes, and all the way up to the 27th. 

Yes, you're right there was an evidence inventory list compiled for the evidence that was released to the FBI on 11/22/63, and that original list was used for the list that was created on 11/ 27.   The clerk merely used a photocopy of the list that was created on 11/22/ and altered that original list to include items that the authorities wanted added or deleted. One of the items that the authorities wanted altered was the number of spent 6.5 shells. The original list from 11/22 indicated that there were only two  spent shells, but they whited out that numeral "2" and changed it to a "3" .

They admitted altering the list in the # 6   Item # 6 on the original list simply said " 1  .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel "

The altered list added information to item #6 ....It says Quote " 1 .38 cal pistol, 2" barrel, S&W, Rev. sand blast finish, brown wooden handles, ser. # 510210 . Released to FBI agent 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63 unquote.   

Since the original list of evidence that was being released to the FBI listed item # 6 as "1 .38 cal pistol , 2" barrel "

And the altered list verified that this first release of the S&W pistol occurred on 11/ 22 /63 then it should be obvious that the original list was created on 11/22/63.    And that index card with the " partial palm print " off underside of gun barrel near end of fore grip on rifle C 2766" is listed on the original list, then it's clear that the DPD did IN FACT   release the index card to the FBI on 11 / 22 /63.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2021, 05:58:57 PM »
Yes, you're right there was an evidence inventory list compiled for the evidence that was released to the FBI on 11/22/63, and that original list was used for the list that was created on 11/ 27.   The clerk merely used a photocopy of the list that was created on 11/22/ and altered that original list to include items that the authorities wanted added or deleted. One of the items that the authorities wanted altered was the number of spent 6.5 shells. The original list from 11/22 indicated that there were only two  spent shells, but they whited out that numeral "2" and changed it to a "3" .

There you go again.  You don't know when the second list was created either.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2021, 08:31:45 PM »
There you go again.  You don't know when the second list was created either.

Released to FBI agent 11-22-63 and again on 11-26-63

The DPD reported that they released the .38 caliber S&W revolver to the FBI on 11 /22 /63.....And it definitely is listed on the list that reveals that they didn't know that the "Italian rifle " they had found on the sixth floor of the TSBD was commonly known as a "CARCANO CARBINE"

On Saturday 11/23/63 they learned that the "Italian rifle" was commonly known as a carcano carbine.  But they didn't have that information on 11/22/63, so they simply referred to it as;---"Italian make, 6.5 rifle"

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2021, 09:51:42 PM »
There is absolutely nothing about either list that indicates that they accompanied the release of evidence to the FBI or when they were written.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2021, 11:49:42 PM »
There is absolutely nothing about either list that indicates that they accompanied the release of evidence to the FBI or when they were written.

Denial of the evidence does not change that evidence.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2021, 01:09:49 AM »
Denial of the evidence does not change that evidence.

Making up a story about the evidence doesn't constitute evidence.

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Re: How many 6.5mm spent shells were in evidence on the evening of 11/22/63?
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2021, 01:09:49 AM »